Are American-based boxers always overrated?

i think some brits need to get rid of that chip on their shoulder.

 

Always? No. Sometimes? Definately. As is the case with any country, really.

 

:happy

Needed to be said. And I agree! :rofl

 

Do you guys ever stop whining?

Shall I send a crate of tissues across the pond for you?

 

works both ways mate. i'm a brit but some of the anti american bitching and whining from some uk guys on here is a ****ing joke.

joe c for instance is my fave current fighter, but he deserves stick for not grabbing warren by the balls and demanding fights in the US. but some blinded uk fans will never accept this. some of us act like kids when one of our fighters is slagged off, but act like it's our god given right to bag the yanks anytime we feel for being overrated and hyped.

 

:happy

This is turning out to be the post of the year! For me, anyway.

Bout time they started gettin' it back. I ain't even American, or FROM America, and I find myself defending them... And in some instances, I agree a lot with where these "people" come from regarding America. But most of the **** these days is just Anti-American "Proganda"... Whatever

 

That's all well and good... But how about ONE, only one, HISTORY fight... A legacy fight...

Or is Calzaghe ONLY about the money? That'd go with his resume, when I think about, so perhaps?

 

surely this is the wrong way round? :huh

 

But Manfredo does nothing for him legacy wise, nor does it enhance his credentials as far as enticing other top fighters to take him on. In fact, the only advantage offered by the crowd in that situation is larger gate receipts. Hatton's getting far more for fighting Mayweather in front of a small crowd so even then, it's not that significant.

A fighter's judged more on his fights than the crowds he fights in front of, and that's why America's still the place to fight.

 

If Lacy, even before the loss, is Calzaghe's "legacy" fight, you clearly don't rate him as highly as I thought you (and all Calzaghe fans) do...

Lacy, while clearly highly touted, wasn't even considered in the same breathe as pound for pound... This is what I mean.

A prime Jones, a prime Hops... One of the absolutely top guys in or around his weight division, at the top of the p4p lists... Not a young undefeated fighter who only a year before was consider a prospect.

But that's right... Jones and Hops BOTH ducked Joe? Because they wouldn't agree to come fight in England? Hence where I'm coming from about wanting a "legacy" fight...

 

because if he fights hopkins at LHW in the future, he will be fighting the supposed man at that division, you've got to go and wrestle the title away from him. the champ shouldn't have to come looking for you.

the same can be said for jones back in the day, although now it would be a worthless fight with calzaghe brutally beating and very possibly ending a shot roys career.

 

How many times do you need to be proven wrong regarding this statment?

 

g-man - big chance he would have faced him if he had got by benn.

benn - an interesting one, a lot of people say benn turned an offer down, benn himself at a recent after dinner speech said he never recieved an offer from jones and was suprised as he thinks jones would have thrashed him.

eubank - turned jones down

watson - jones was still feeling his way into the pro game when watson was tragically stopped by eubank.

collins - was never serious about his 'offer'.

 

Look, I'm not American, but this is gonna sound a bit like American bull ****, BUT: America, whether you like it or not, and despite the recent change (which makes the future look good for you, now doesn't it), is still the "mecca" of boxing. This means, MOST of the best fighters in the world, DESPITE nationality, either fight, or even, base themselves out of the US (or at least, close by)... This includes Mexicans, Peuto Ricans, Pinoys (who have a large number of fighters considered the best in the world) and many many more. And of course, Americans themselves, who lets admit, aren't too bad at sports themselves (considering they have hundreds of millions of people to choose from). As a result, the best fights, the best sparring, the best trainers... come to America.

It's just how it is.

SO, if British fighters want to stay in Britian there whole career and make more money than what they would in America, that's fine... However, they simply will not get the quality of opposition or resume if they were to come here. Because, as you pointed out, the trend is that a lot of fighters who live or base themselves out of America (which would include all the Mexicans, Peuto Ricans, Pinoys etc...) don't want to travel to Europe (although this trend is changing).

So, it then becomes a question about money or legacy? If you want to chase legacy, the best (and usually, fastest) way is through the US...

Think about this... If Calzaghe were to have lived in America and fought his career at 168, under a US promoter, on a US television network, would he have a better resume than he currently has?

I say yes, with a "perhaps not". He very much could of had this "legacy" fight we talk about, and if it was Jones, he wouldn't have an 0 in his record.