Are any Frank Warren fighters capable of headlining a PPV?

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  1. Matt Petley

    Matt Petley Active Member Full Member

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    I was just thinking about how Warren often criticizes matchroom and sky about not having 50-50 fights and i think I've heard him before say some of sky's ppv shows shouldn't be a ppv (i can't remember which show he was talking about).
    I was just wondering whether any of his stable in the next year or so could headline a ppv show as he talks about how this new deal means they have ppv capability.
    Most if not all of warrens stable haven't got the following of matchroom fighters for various reasons such as not having the TV platform or being promoted badly or just not being exciting characters or personalities. Just compare the crowd numbers and atmosphere for crolla to flannagen for example.
    The only potential fights i can think of being ppv on boxnation are:

    Billy Joe Saunders vs GGG/Canelo winner (if he gets past Khurtzide)
    H Fury vs Deontay Wilder
    - And these fights are unlikely to be hosted by Warren if they were to happen.

    Some fights vs other UK fighters could potentially be ppv:
    H Fury vs AJ
    Saunders vs Eubank 2
    Liam Smith vs Kell Brook
    Crolla vs flannagen

    And i think that matchroom have a much better stable to be able to put on decent undercards for these events, AJ Vs Molina good undercard, Brook Vs Spence good undercard, Haye vs Bellew good undercard, Brook vs Golovkin quite good undercard, great main event, Aj Vs Wlad shite undercard but great main event.

    What does everyone think?
     
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  2. bladesman

    bladesman Active Member Full Member

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    Anyone could be a ppv headliner but sell well? Only Fury and even that won't be sky numbers.

    Its noticeable how much weaker Matchroom ppv cards are when its a co-promotion like with AJ v Wlad. I don't think bt have anywhere near the depth to match them.
     
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  3. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    If Liam Smith vs Kell Brook was made as a PPV headliner I would openly hope ISIS ****ing wipe us all out.
    AJ-Molina card was enjoyable though on paper it was only really alright
    Haye-Bellew undercard was pish. Two fighters from the main fights retired afterwards!
    Golovkin-Brook card again was ok but that was all about the main event
     
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  4. Matt Petley

    Matt Petley Active Member Full Member

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    The better the main event, the worse the undercard. E.g AJ vs Wlad is a good and expenive main event hence why the undercard suffered, But im sure Molina's purse was a lot cheaper hence why that undercard was good.
     
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  5. Matt Petley

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    Brook is now a ppv fighter on sky and smith has been in with Canelo and has a good following in liverpool, I,m sure with a decent undercard that could be a ppv event, but then again going back to my point i dont think boxnation have good fighters to fill ppv undercards, so if this fight were to happen it should be on sky with a AJ Vs Whyte or AJ vs Molina style undercard.
     
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  6. Matt Petley

    Matt Petley Active Member Full Member

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    what does the first line of your post mean?
     
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  7. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Brook has no right being a PPV fighter and having a following in Liverpool doesn't justify it either. A fight should only be PPV if it can't be made as a normal card without the promoter making money. Absolutely no reason at all for Brook to be a PPV fighter especially if he's going to 154.

    As for your main point, I don't think anyone on Warren's stable can command it. If he got the winner of GGG\Canelo over to London then that's fair but no way is that happening. Other than that his only hope is Fury coming back and being just as good, but even that'll take time.
     
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  8. Matt Petley

    Matt Petley Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with you but at the end of the day i can only see brook fighting on ppv now if he carries on regardless of whether he should or shouldn't be. But yes, maybe brook smith woudln't be ppv but after bellew cleverly was then you never know.
     
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  9. carlingeight

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    Well Matchroom seem to have two clear types of PPV events now:-

    1. The headline event is enough of a draw on its own to 'justify' PPV e.g. AJ vs Wlad, Haye vs Bellew

    2. The headline event isn't enough of a draw to 'justify' PPV, so the undercard must be 'stacked' e.g. AJ vs Molina, Brook vs Gavin

    When I say justify I mean in the sense that it can put enough coins in Hearn's pocket and lets him carry on riding the gravy train.

    Warren doesn't have any boxers who you would say are Type 1. His only hope would be Fury coming back to a huge fight, or if he can get one of the biggest stars over to the UK. Even then I'm not sure.

    As for Type 2, in theory it's possible, but when you consider the relatively low number of top quality fighters he has, and his commitments to provide regular Fight Nights on BT, then I just don't see it happening.

    I think he wants to get his feet firmly under the table at BT and put on some entertaining Fight Nights for a year or two and gain some traction, increase his fighters' profiles, and then keep his fingers crossed that someone like Dubois or Yarde develops into a real star. Then maybe 2 years down the line PPV becomes a bit more realistic.
     
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  10. bladesman

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    Eubank Jr is a ppv fighter...doesn't sell well.
     
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  11. Bensub

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    I would pay for BJS v Canelo, Eubank or GGG.
    Would also pay for Fury v Wilder or AJ.

    IMO the only two fighters in Frank Warren stable that could sell a PPV with a top dance partner.
     
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  12. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearn has said a few times the Co Promotion under cards are weaker as those he promotes with wont spend money on it were as he says he knows a great under card more than pays for itself with extra buys.
     
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  13. Dragon Punch

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    Dubious and Yarde are well on course - there both starting to get mainstream press.
     
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  14. Matt Petley

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    Yeah, i think in the future dubois and yarde could be world champions but weather they have the commercial value who knows
     
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  15. The Ripper

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    Warren got 3-6 good young stars keep there 0s and try and keep them sweet then he got a cracking stable
     
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