Are athletes really getting faster, better, stronger?

Tell me what some of the record holders do for a living then, because I couldn't find it. And it seems odd they would given there's government funding, and the amateur requirements have been largely removed for decades now. Is swimming this odd exception where old rules are still enforced?

The second part is obviously wrong, why does no one compete with old equipment then? And how come the record improvements coincide with those changes/

 

most of the top swimmers are college students that have to waitress etc on top of their coricculum. more than a full time Job!

and the second part, well, you appear to have Trouble with your text comprehension. i didnt say the old equiptment is better. i said the decrease in Speed was not significant, ….yet still there was a slight decrease. Maybe 3/10 of a second in 50 m Freestyle compared to my speedo. so of Course you use the modern equiptment in competion. thats a no brainer.

but that doesnt explain the huge difference in Performance. take the great norman ross of the 1920´s. He needed 2minutes and 21 seconds for the 200 Freestyle. Michael phelps needed 1 Minute and 42 seconds. thats nearly 40 second difference!!!!!
THAT IS AN INSANE DIFFERENCE!!

to suggest that the bathing suit makes up for 40 seconds in the 200 Freestyle is beyond redicule. you obviously have no clue About the Sport of Swimming.

 

It's not just the suits, the pools themselves were worse causing more waves etc. If the decrease just from is enough to matter in competition then it is significant.

Like I said, show me a source showing the record holders, olympic medalists etc. work jobs.
It seems odd that swimming would be the one sport where they didn't have state sponsored athletes, and professionals, despite the amateur rules stopping being applied in the '70s.

 

I know nothing about swimming. This is all interesting.

What level of competition would Norman Ross's 200m freestyle time be found at today?

 

again, you lack text comprehension. nobody Questions that conditions for atheletes are generally better today.
that is a mute Point.

the Question that is asked weather or not the athelte of today is superior to the athlete of yesterday. so throw ross in with a ryan lochte or caleb dressel etc, let them all wear the same speedo and let them swim in a Special pool that nobody ever swam in.....hell, let it be filled with salt water from the dead sea and let it be 300 meters Long.

let them swim just one lane. and guess what. dressel will be out of the water and fully dressed before ross even gets close to touching the wall.
the reason: lochte etc are simply the superior animal.

 

It's amazing a rhetorical question could go 15 pages and counting....

 

Ok, I'm looking this stuff up. Still waiting to see you back up the claim that current record holders are amateurs, despite the olympic amateur rules not being properly enforced since the 70's, and now are pretty much abolished entirely.

Norman Ross's record you mentioned was in 1916.
By 1927 Johnny Weissmuller had the 200m record at 2:08.

For the olympics
They wore full body suits up until the 40's that produced extra drag
There have been numerous changes including in pool depth, widening of lanes, and energy aborbing gutters etc. which remove waves and currents.
Diving blocks were only introduced in the 30's
Swimming goggles were only allowed in the 70's

And the times you site haven't been beaten since 2009, since they used "sharkskin" suits that gave such an advantage they were banned.

Just stating this stuff isn't that big a difference doesn't make it so.

Also that they are now allowed to be professional, they used to get banned for it. You still haven't backed up your claim they are amateur.

 

and again, you seem to have a Problem with text comprehension. that conditions have improved has not been contested. you again make a mute Point.

as for time, the recent world Championship was won in 1minute 44 seconds……..without Special equiptment. compare that to ross or even weismullers time...….it still leaves a gap so redicoulusly giagantic that you just cant explain away citing outside factors.

but your ignorance is boring me. go to your local college and talk to the head of the Swimming staff. if he is polite, he wont laugh in your face. but laugh he will.

 

Amateurism is no longer required.

STOP IGNORING THIS POINT!

 

Since when has Amateurism not been required?

 

Since about the 1970's in practice, officially it was allowed in the 90's for the olympics.

 

Unbelievable.

You think you know more about judo conditioning than these two men:

* Andy Burns, MSc (strength & conditioning), who won medals for judo at the Commonwealth Games, World Cups, and European Championships. He's the strength and conditioning coach for the Welsh judo team, and he's a lecturer in strength and conditioning at the University of Winchester. https://www.winchester.ac.uk/about-...ance/staff-directory/staff-profiles/burns.php

* Dr. Mike Callan, senior lecturer at the University of Chichester, President of the International Association of Judo Researchers, and Secretary General of the Commonwealth Judo Association. The International Judo Federation awarded him for his contributions to judo education and research. http://eprints.chi.ac.uk/profile/4507.

Their book, which I cited, is intended to review all existing scientific literature on judo training, and summarize it for coaches.

So tell me, Random Internet Person, how many European and Commonwealth championships have you medaled in, how many universities have you taught strength & conditioning or judo at, and how many judo teams have you coached?

 

If you, personally, put on a Victorian bathing suit, hopped into an old pool, and beat these old-time "records" yourself, I'm sure you'd get twenty pages of excuses about how you didn't do the 19th century dog paddle right.

 

Yes, poorly.

 

Right, by my estimation is really went into practice in the 90's for the most part. Which then begs the question, before the 90's times were still drastically lower than in the 10's and 20's... So I don't think it had much to do with Amateurism wouldn't you say?