Are Bhops two best wins..

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  1. Cross of Iron

    Cross of Iron Active Member Full Member

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    I thought Segundo Mercado ls gave Hopkins a tough , rough fight in their first meeting. He knocked Hopkins down twice . Hopkins had a gut check in that fight .

    It was scored a draw.
     
  2. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Bernard Hopkins is truly an ATG if ever there was one.. He whupped Calzaghe's a$$ He also beat Tay7lor twice all 3 were POLITICAL decisions. For you to call Hopkins an ass kisser is LUDICROUS .That was Hopkins downfall he REFUSED to kiss as & marched to his own drummer.
    Don't forget Calzaghe had the chance to rematch Hopkins at home in Wales. But instead the Slapper took to the hills & "RETIRED" Slappy was sniffin coke, abusing alcohol & chasing hookers while Bernard was still kicking ass
    Calzaghe isn't fit to carry Bernards Jockstrap
     
  3. Chango

    Chango Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don't agree with you on much, but I agree with your post.
     
  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    None of those were at Middleweight.
     
  5. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    You need to be hanged in a public toilet.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    You can definitely make the case that Trinidad was 1 of his 2 best wins, and I would say that one probably is his "career defining" victory, if you had to narrow it to one. The revisionist angle on this, is that Trinidad was just a blown up welter, ergo, Hopkins deserves no credit for the victory. That wasn't the thinking at the time, however. Going into the 4 man middleweight tournament, Trinidad was a big favorite - and this storyline was amplified when Hopkins looked unspectacular in dominating Keith Holmes, while Trinidad blasted Joppy away in an awesome display of power punching.

    The common mindset going in was that Tito was too explosive and powerful for old man Hopkins to handle - yes - even all the way back then, Hopkins was viewed as an aging talent well into the downside of his career.

    Hopkins was a 4 to 1 underdog, and put on an outstanding performance, in what I believe was one of the first major sporting events in Manhattan a few weeks after 911.

    But at no point was DLH ever viewed that way in the lead-up to his fight with Hopkins. In fact, most fans viewed that as a joke and thought DLH was given a huge gift against Sturm when testing the middleweight water. It was probably a decent payday for Hopkins, and a big name, but no one really held that fight in high regard, either going in, or especially coming out. I think the only minor significance here is that it may have been the first time all of the Big 4 belts were unified together - but that was a scam distinction, as before then nonsensical politics precluded that from ever becoming a reality for anyone.

    When I think of Hopkins "2 best victories", I think it's really a matter of his "4 best victories" - all of which are on pretty equal footing in my eyes:

    * Trinidad
    * Tarver
    * Pavlik
    * Pascal x2 (1st in particular, but he was jobbed on the cards in that one despite being dropped twice early - one of his best efforts ever when he overcame early adversity).
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Oops! I kinda missed that qualifier. :lol:

    In that case, Trinidad is definitely 1 of his 2 best, DLH definitely is not.

    :smoke
     
  8. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    wasn't BHop like a 4 to 1 underdog vs Tarver?
     
  9. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tito and the 2nd Echols fight, Bernard showed all macho in the Echols II fight.
     
  10. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Hopkins's career is very unique. He hung around middleweight and dominated for a long time, however it was during a period when middleweight was very weak. And there were two guys in the sport at that time, who had already moved up in weight Toney and Jones, one of which had already proved to be superior to Hopkins by beating him decisively.

    Nobody can argue with the man's skill or accomplishments. He has had an unbelievable career. But I don't think he is AS GREAT as some make him out to be.

    He lost to Jones. But some will say he was still "green". I disagree. He was in his physical prime, and was on like a 20 fight win streak.

    He goes on a great run as champion after that at middleweight. Beating some good guys (Glen Johnson proved later to be a better win than it was thought of at the time). But no "great" fighters.

    He then beats Tito and Oscar. 2 great fighters, but they were "great" at WW and SWW. NOT middleweight.

    He then loses to Taylor, twice. The decisions are a bit controversial, but Taylor was never that great himself, and Hopkins couldn't beat him decisively in 2 tries?!?

    So now everyone is saying Hopkins is too old, and that's why he lost.

    But then he goes ahead and moves up (Finally), and gets some of the best wins of his career after that? :huh

    So was he "too old" against Taylor, or not? Nobody knows. But he gets a pass for those losses anyway. Was he "too green" against Jones or not? Nobody knows. But he gets a pass for that loss anyway.

    I thought the calzaghe fight was close, but he clearly lost that one too. Was he "too old" there? He went on after to beat Pascal and win another title after that though? So was he really "too old" vs Calzaghe? Nobody knows. But he gets a pass for that loss too.

    Then he gets smoked by Dawson, but then beats Cloud and Murat. Was he "too old" vs Dawson, is that why he lost???

    This **** drives me crazy. When was this man's "prime"????

    Was he just never really good enough to beat the elite at any respective time? Did he just have a tricky style that was a nightmare for 95% of other boxers, but he didn't have what it took to beat the other 5%???


    To answer the question. His 2 best wins are:
    1. Tito Trinidad
    2. Pavlik
    He was masterful in those 2 fights. :deal

    IMHO.
     
  11. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Two classic masterpieces
     
  12. rusak

    rusak Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I find it funny when people talk about how Dawson beat Hopkins as if Hopkins got beat up or something, when it was nothing like that. Yes, Dawson won the boxing match, but look at his face at the end of it and tell me who won the fight.
     
  13. kovalevtheGoat

    kovalevtheGoat The Chelyabinsk Machine banned Full Member

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    Sergei KRUSHER kovalev took old man to school
     
  14. rusak

    rusak Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To me, Hopkin's stoppage of Glen Johnson and his win over Shumenov at that age are clearly better than the DLH win. De la Hoya is not a natural middleweight, while Hopkins basically boiled down to middleweight for years. In the days of same day weigh-ins, Hopkins would have become a LHW much earlier.
     
  15. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    IMO Tarver and Tito.