Are brawlers "limited" or do they simply excel in one of the aspects of the sport?

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  1. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Is it fair to classify fighters with a predominantly a brawling style "limited", or do you think they simply excel in one of the aspects of the sport - that they are as skilled as any others just that there skill is brawling?
     
  2. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    If it wins fights it ok.Usually fighters only care about money.You can make money not only winning but also being entertaining.......brawlersare entertaining.
     
  3. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    IMO, brawler, boxer, whatever, if you are only limited to one style then there will be some very wrong opponents for you, which ever way.

    Seems the cream of the crop can always do a little of everything.
     
  4. Realspitts

    Realspitts Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yes.

    off the top of my head pavlik, miranda, pac (prior to morales 2), hatton, mayorga (although he did box well against shane) are good examples.
     
  5. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    Considering how many times brawlers have been able to upset fighter that would be considered far more skilled in pure "boxing", I would definitely say brawling is its own skillset.

    that said, brawlers are still limited, and overall are the easiest of fighters to beat

    I myself have my own taxanomy of classifying fighters,

    1. Brawlers
    2. Punchers
    3. Boxers

    which go further into

    A. Offensive
    B. Defensive

    These then go into

    Pressure
    Pin Point
    Wild
    Counter Puncher

    which then are given the identification as

    Inside fighter
    Mid Range fighter
    Outsider fighter.

    Some fighters may excel at more than one area, and can be combinations of each
    These taxanomys are not necessarily in order of dominance, other than the first three

    For example

    Ricardo Mayorga

    Wild Brawler-Offensive pressure-mid to close range
     
  6. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The wording to this question isn't great I admit, but I think people are getting the gist.


    Good post MJ.
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Yes they are limited. For the simple reason everybody knows if your plan A, your one and only plan is brawl, you are going to lose to a skilled boxer puncher or counterpuncher in most instances.

    Unless a fighter has a plan B after brawling it is safe to say he is limited.
     
  8. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Good post TFFP.

    Sometimes though the brawler is able to break the boxer/counter puncher mentally.....

    Without having a plan B.

    Margarito vs Cotto is a classic example. Margo did little different in the second half of the fight to what he did in the first - but a few people have said that Cotto could be broken..... Margo proved it.

    I was going to say Duran vs Leonard, but that wouldn't be as accurate.
     
  9. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brawling CAN be a skill in itself. Most brawlers do it bcause they have no choice, but there are a few people that can do other things but use brawling as an important part. Joe Cazaghe actually loves to brawl but can box.
     
  10. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Cotto is essentially a pressure fighter/boxer though - he is pretty one handed as pointed out by Roger Mayweather.

    Beating guys like Gomez can mask that to a degree.
     
  11. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Good post, MJ.
     
  12. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Depends on how effective they are at it.

    Watch a guy like Sung-Kil Moon at 115. Completely wild and devoid of any technical skill seemingly, but so experienced in the ring that he was able to make his style work and somehow manage to get off his huge power shots and land them almost at will, or at some point in the fight even if made to look foolish beforehand. Technically stylists don't get much worse, but if it's effective it's effective, and he was against the cream of the crop in the golden age of the division.
     
  13. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's fine, i agree, but if someone had say good feet and an elusive defence, but nothing else, I don't think you would see many posts on here stating that this boxer was "limited".

    I realise that technically any boxer with only one or two plans, or skills, is by definition limited, but it appears to be only those with a brawling style that so often get labelled as "limited". I think there is a tendency to label them as "limited" because they brawl - not because that is the only skill or plan they have.

    You get a boxer who gets stuck in: "oh he's limited". David Haye is perhaps an example of this - I've seen numerous posts describing him as limited, and that's mainly because of his aggressive style (I realise he's not an out and out brawler).

    Defence often seems to gain a lot more credibility/currency then offence.


    Apologies if I'm not making perfect sense as I've got a terrible head cold at the moment and have just had a wee glass of whisky to sooth it.:D
     
  14. yyyy1313

    yyyy1313 Active Member Full Member

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    Ya, but if you consider his outing against Shane, one can not say that Cotto is one Dimensional. Hell in his fight with Margarito he showed the different levels of his game, though eventually his will was broken. :( COTTO!
     
  15. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Cotto was never perceived as one dimensional.