Are Charles & Walcott equal

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    As in boxing ability..... I mean they fought each other 4 times and each went 2-2. Or do you rate one over the other?
     
  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster I check this every now and then Full Member

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    I rate Walcott higher but I'm a minority in that department. Walcott fought hard with pre retirement Louis, and Marciano has quoted them both as the hardest fights he ever fought, but he quotes Walcott as the hardest puncher and who believed was the greatest of the period.

    And of course, Walcott was the one who got a knockout
     
  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    P4p I rate Charles MUCH higher

    At HW I have them side by side generally in my Floyd Patterson neighborhood
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Marciano said his hardest fight was his first one with Charles.
     
  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Someone once told me Charles was pretty good at lightheavyweight. Maybe that should factor in.



    Less sarcastic version... It's not even that close. Charles is one of the greatest ever. Walcott not.
     
  7. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster I check this every now and then Full Member

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    It's a heavyweight h2h rating, not a p4p greatness rating
     
  8. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Love both of them but I rate Charles much higher. Then again, Charles is probably my all time favorite fighter. He was as complete of a fighter as you could get.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    It does not state this in the OP. It's quite open ended.
     
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  10. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    p4p Charles, and clearly so

    HW, Walcott, and it's closer.
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I'm not even sure that Walcott beats out Charles at heavyweight. They split their series. Beyond that, Charles had an impressive array of scalps including Maxim, Oma, Layne, Louis, Barrone, Baski, Beshore, Valentino, Ray... a veritable who's who of late 40's/early 50's heavies. By the time he fought Marciano, the wheels were beginning to fall off but he was an undersized guy fighting in the top ranks of the heavies for 6 or 7 years. I think his ledger of wins just might be deeper than Joe's.
     
  12. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I assume you mean as heavyweights (not P4P).

    I think Chalres had a better career, but ability wise they were extremely close.
     
  13. mcvey

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  14. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As already mentioned p4p its Charles clearly not a real competition, however at heavyweights its very close I'd give it Walcott slightly.
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    At heavyweight, they are pretty close.

    The end result of their series was a decisive win for Charles, a controversial win for Charles, a decisive win for Walcott, and a controversial win for Walcott.

    They would likely have had to fight a third time if Marciano had not come along.

    Charles obviously had a better title reign, but Walcott had a better pre title run.

    Beyond that there is a lot of overlap in their lists of victims, and they largely lost to the same men.

    Not a lot separating them.