Are counter punchers glorified among hardcore fans?

true, jmm face told the story. pac hardly had a mark LOL

 

exactly. these fools are crying of corruption but when you try to break down every rounds and some physical evidences, they would shut it down like it doesn't matter and that all pac did was hit grazing punches.

newsflash, pacquiao hit marquez and the judges can see it much better than your shitty internet feeds. marquez did well, but it's not enough to win him the fight. you can take consolation in the fact that he won the event and his head-to-head worth at 140 and 147 shoot up.

 

Wait a second, I am not creating an argument about who won or what BUT You guys are saying Pacman won because JMM's face was ****ed? Surely not, surely.

 

no he won because the official judges scored for his aggression/activity and workrate and in close rounds, this swayed the judges vote. much better explanation than ******ed people saying corruption in close fights. and that face explanation is only for divac who thought pac landed only grazing and ineffective punches.

 

i just want 100% clarification that people did not score the fight on jmms face :good

 

God you have proven to be a ****ing ****** more and more ever since you flipped sides.
Dont make me dragup the post fight pictures on Marquez and Katsidis, i guess based on facial markings Katsidis won that fight too or was winning it at the time of the stoppage?

Your comments are getting more and more insane, please just start following MMA and giveup on boxing.
You have already shown in this thread that you have a CLEAR biases on come forward fighters (With Rios its clear hes winning cause hes coming forward!!!) and you also said that boxing is NOT about hitting while not getting hit.
And now you are looking at facial markings ... really?

What are you 6 years old?

Puga has already shown hes ******ed but im thinking you might actually be worse.

 

lol i'm ******ed cause i have explained why the judges scored it for pacquiao. meanwhile, you and a couple of whiners could only see that the judges are corrupt and there is only one way to score a close fight.

 

what r u 14 yo? LOL :roll: this is about ring generalship, punch accuracy, defense. what did jmm do to show that? he was on the back foot the whole nite. pac was the aggressor, landed more punches. jmm chose to potshot, and play defense. pac controlled the fight. atsch

 

No Daruf, the most unbiased way to show which fighter was hit more and/or less is by comparing their faces on all 3 bouts, not JMM's face against Katsidis.
That will show that Pac improved his defense (and/or JMM played conservatively, either way, a testament to Pac's defense or Pac's counterpunching).

Take note this is a discussion PURELY on the assumption that all Pac did that night was hit air and all JMM did was hit Pac cleanly, which, by comparing their faces at the end of each of their 3 fights will be proven to be both wrong.

Heck we can easily conclude the discussion of "Pac didn't hit JMM with anything solid" just by watching a slow motion of the fight, but apparently, for some weird reasoning by both *****s and marqueers, that is not justifiable.

Apparently they can't separate the discussion of "who won the fight" from "Pac didn't hit JMM with anything solid".

 

Im going to explain 1 last time in detail why i think you and Boxing Fanatic and the remaining few vocal minority on this board is ******ed and are actually harmful to boxing.

This might be lengthy.

The main problem is you guys are obsessed fans of a ceirtan fighter first and sorta like boxing 2nd.

Where people like me and many others are BOXING fans first and fans of ceirtan fighters 2nd.

What i mean by this is take for example i was a fan of ODLH in the past, he had a exciting style and wanted to fight the very best, i mean look at his resume its a whos who of all the best fighters even to the ones that are active right now.
He won some he lost some but he fought them all.

Now take Oscars fight vs Trinidad, to me he won a clear 9 rounds (MAYBE 8 if i want to be super biased towards Trinidad) so no matter if he ran like a coward in the last 3 there is just NO WAY he could lose a decision, and much like Pac vs JMM3 Felix corner told him he needed a stoppage to win.
I was outraged not because im a Oscar fan but because a fighter got robbed.
Some people commenting that he "deserved to lose" because he ran the last 3... **** that .. he won 9 rounds that means he won the fight.

Now on the flip side when the first talks about Oscar vs Hopkins started i was really excited ... i thought it would be a mammoth task but i wanted to see it badly.
Now when he anounced his tuneup vs Sturm i got worried, me being a European means i saw Sturm fight and even though he had a tendancy to be negative like Markus Beyer i knew he was dangerous with a very strong jab.

Once the fight got on the way i could already see Oscar being fleshy, and my fear came true ... Sturm controlled the fight with his jab and won at least a clear 8 rounds.
When the verdict was anounced i was once again outraged, even though my favorite won i knew Sturm got robbed.
Oscar pulled the same bull**** move that Leonard used to do and that Pac does now, he could lose 2.30min of a fight and do a last moment flurry and fool a few simpleminded fans into thinking he took the round.

This is where you, BF and me differ... next to you 2 having a very poor grasp on how to score boxing and boxing fundamentals in general (i mean really scoring based on facial marking or who is coming forward? seriously?)
I want the actual winner to get the verdict, not the guy that im a fan of.

Now take you who came on this board shortly after the fight and thought of a draw or a JMM win .. but after a "reviewing" which just means you wanted to see if you could get away with a few other people saying Pac actually won you were able to backtrack ... same with boxing fanatic who did the exact same thing.

This is where you 2 are just hurtful to boxing because fight fixing will happen unless we all ownup to who actually legit won according to boxing rules.
When you are presented with a MOUNTAIN of evidence from every single frigging boxer out there, trainers, pundits, 80%+ on this forum which is a HEAVY PRO PAC forum with less than 5% thinking Pac won.

When Arum says its a "Business decision" when Roach says you NEED to STOP him, when Roach says after the 8th that they are behind.

Quite frankly on a serious note i think its sad and pathetic that (i assume) adults can still be so obsessed that they either lost touch with reality or are just blatent liars to protect their favorite.

When my favorite fighters lose i will always own up to it because im a BOXING FAN first.

 

You cant ever use facial markings to see who won a fight, add to that there were MULTIPLE years between all of their fights which ment they had different wear and tear throughout the years.

Add to that SINGLE shots can leave HUGE markings.
That GIANT gash on Vitalis face was the result of 1 grazing right hand vs Lewis.

Boxing does not work like this, learn how to score boxing per round not stupid intangibles that have nothing to do with it.

Clean Punching, EFFECTIVE Agression, Defense, Ring Generalship.

Not facial markings, not facial expressions, not the challenger has to do more than the champion, not who came forward the most.
Its all ****ing irrelevant to the 4 points you actually do have to score boxing on.

 

JMM's face looked like he fell out of a moving delivery truck. Pac had a cut on his brow. when HBO went into Marquez's room to interview him; i had to take a picture of his face to show some people i know. i asked them" would youfeel like you won a fight if you came out of it looking like this ? "

Jmm hit Pac with some flashy counter punches but Pac was scoring on him consistently and Jmm kept waiting for openings. Pac created openings.

 

to answer the question. no, counter punchers are glorified by CASUAL boxing fans:deal