Are fighters avoiding each other more now than ever?.......

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Gooners2, Jan 26, 2012.


  1. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    its not rjj fault i hate when people blame him. boxing has been like that and the last time everyone was fighting everyone was in the early 90's on down. if boxing had a dana white
    it would be over. fighters would have been exposed a long ass time ago.
     
  2. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    He beat Shane Mosley 2x who was rated the best fighters in the world around that time if I recall. You can make a case that he weren't of coarse, cause aside from that win who else did he really beat who was considered on the top top level? Me personally though, with his skill-set and the fact he beat a fighter of Mosley's calibre means I would rank him as an elite fighter, but maybe an A- type fighter, as appose to an A+ fighter like say Hopkins, Jones etc. I mean who would you pick to win out of him and Oscar, or Forrest and Mayweather? I dont know if he'd win but Forrest would have a good chance against both those fighters imo. I know its only a fantasy match up but it proves the kind of quality he had that he could hang with these type of fighters imo.


    You say williams was mega hyped, but now he not?
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    , is it because he got knocked out by martinez a man in the top p4p rankings. People seem to forget the 1st victory he held over martinez.


    Because he got ruthlessly exposed to be somebody he weren't. The sheer ruthlessness of how he lost magnified the fact he weren't the fighter he was supposed to be, as did his fight with Lara, a relatively green fighter who had his own struggle with Brewer & Molina. Also, a lot of people were still disgruntled about the fact he got the decision over Martinez in the first fight, which many perceive he lost. This aint the first time he'd been undressed either, he got a lesson from Quintana, was being nailed by fighters like Verno Phillips on the way up.

    Williams reputation is where it is cause he was vastly overrated. Now people have an accurate perception of how good he actually is. Martinez were't rated as a top p4p fighter when Williams fought him either. He seemingly got that notoriey of the back of that win.


    I dont, its just that you have to have a degree of commonsense about these things. If a fighter loses, sometimes its actually about how good he is, not about how fans overreact to the fact he lost. Forget fans! people in general prefer to follow a winner, now that dont mean they're overreacting if they leave his " bandwagon", it can just mean they wanna attach themselves to someone else, who is a winner.
     
  3. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    Your theory seems to be.............fighter has more chance of losing the better the opposition, fans have a tendency to leave you when you lose, preferring to follow a "winner", therefore fighter should not be crucified fight not fighting the best available, as it the fans fault for wanting to support a "winner", but as I said to you, its not about fans overreacting, or even Boxing, people in general would just rather attach themselves to a winner, cause when push comes to shove winner= the best. Now that aint to say you cant lose and still be rated very highly like you would have us believe, as many great fighters have losses but are still rated very highly. Even Manny Pacquiao has losses but is rated very highly. Its a cop out to blame fans for that so it allow fighters to run rampant fighting whoever they want whilst laying the blame at the feet of the fans for why! they're aren't fighting who they should be.
     
  4. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    No, it's a common thing since the beginning of boxing.

    PowerPuncher gives good arguments on this topic.
     
  5. Opti

    Opti Active Member Full Member

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    :rofl
    They are brothers!! There is a legitimate reason for them not fighting and they are right not to!!
     
  6. horst

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    The same Roy Jones who fought James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, Antonio Tarver, Montell Griffin and Virgil Hill? That Roy Jones??

    Fail. :patsch
     
  7. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Jones was like that from the beginning of his career - his father was very adamant on being as much independent as possible.

    This was one of the reasons why it took 4 years for a fighter of Jones' abilities to get a title shot.
     
  8. jso416

    jso416 F U Nutthuggers!!! Full Member

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    I remember back when I was kid watching fights like Chavez vs Rosario and Leonard vs Hagler with my Dad and how I was drawn into every second of the action back when the best fighters competed against each other. Shame now that I can't do the same with my Son because the top P4P fighters find ways to avoid eachother. Now we basically have no choice but to take what they give us, even if the fights are lopsided mismatches. We did get some amazing fights from lesser known names in 2011, but they don't possess the same excitement that the Mega fights bring when u have friends n family over all picking sides and screaming out loud while watching the top dogs go at it.
     
  9. MonsterMunch

    MonsterMunch New Member Full Member

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    I think more so than ever, i think boxers are moulded for stardom if they show any sign of quality. I dont disagree with the moulding part and i know this may sound harsh i just dont agree that a boxer should be 20-0 and still be classed as "inexperianced". I can appreciate that not everyone will agree with this comment, but if said boxer is exceptional then his progress will be a natrual progression through the ranks till the boxer is a named fighter. Not a manufactured chunk of turd that has popped out of the a promotors anus and is hand picked oppenents to suit the future stars boxing style

    So in short we are entering a new era of manufactured boxers specfically groomed to make as much money as possible by keeping there zero intact which in turn lends itself to fighter avoidance. The ironic thing is, we actually do have some quality boxers out there that will take on all comers and when our hero's with zero's meet em, they get mashed up a few times and chucked to the kerb..

    Actually.. they end up with drink problems, drugs, lose their house and there dog is auctioned for £2.50 only for it to be spent on 100/1 horse at the local Bet Fred...

    But yer.... Its all about the money..... Pride is rare nowadays in boxing and to be fair we should be thankful for selected few that are still loyal to true prize fighting.
     
  10. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    Great post:thumbsup
     
  11. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe>Roy Jones :deal
     
  12. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    only can be fixed with a UFC style, there is not room for ducking over there.But with all the corrupted promoters today its just a shame.Top Rank,GBP leading the ****.
     
  13. PH|LLA

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    no, fight fans are just more ******ed than ever
     
  14. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a myth that fighters avoid each other more today.
    Fans can look over a long retired fighters career record instantly today. Making it look like they fought each other like crazy. But you must look also at the dates.

    How many fans today know that Ali disappeared for a year and a half after beating Liston? If a champion did that today fans would go mad!
     
  15. GH057ayame

    GH057ayame Member Full Member

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    I've asked this before and not had a response. Who exactly did Roy duck out the way of? I'm not buying it as much as most do on here!