Are Fury and Wilder still #1 and #2 ?

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  1. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No. If you followed the heavyweight division as closely as I did at that time, you'd know Wilder was VERY carefully matched. I remember Kevin (who had never been stopped, not even by Vitali) and his words of frustration. They were feeding Wilder guys who were easy to knock out. And Wilder's boxing skills were so poor that he could have lost a decision to Johnson (after all, he was being out-boxed by the mediocre Szpilka).

    Let's not forget Wilder more recently turned down a highly lucrative unification fight with Joshua, and avoided his mandatory Whyte.

    And old inactive Stiverne should NEVER have been a mandatory in 2017. He hadn't fought in 2016, and in his previous fight against a journeyman in 2015 he was knocked down, looked poor and was gifted a decision. it's very likely Wilder's promoters have some kind of dodgy relationship with the WBC (We Be Crooks).

    Povetkin's positive test was nonsense, it was a microscopic small amount that could not have had any affect, and Wilder and his handlers used it as an excuse to avoid Povetkin.
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's 2021. Not 2011. Not 2015. Not 2017.

    It's 2021.

    Joshua had a better resume than Wilder in 2017. That was four years ago.

    Look at the current division. Now, he doesn't.
     
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  3. Perkin Warbeck

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    And Wilder hasn't fought in well over a year - he's been inactive since his humiliating loss to Tyson Fury. He currently has no fight scheduled or even rumored to be in discussions.
     
  4. Dubblechin

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    In the last three years, Wilder has fought the current World Champion two times and floored him two times, and the current #4 contender two times and dropped him four times and stopped him two times.

    In the last three years, Joshua has faced no one in the current top four or five and he has a loss to the sixth-rated heavyweight, Wilder a loss to the World Champ.

    Fury and Wilder are the two best heavyweights. It looks like they will fight each other again next. Their fight has been signed since a week after their rematch.

    Looks like Joshua will fight the #10 Usyk, who he planned to fight, before Hearn sidetracked everyone with his "mirage."

    If Joshua had the best resume in 2017, he no longer does when you look at the current challengers in the current ratings.

    That's all.

    But I appreciate the Kingpin Johnson post. That was hilarious. (LOL)
     
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  5. TMLT87

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    Fury being floored twice doesnt change the round by round scoring system. Fury outlanded Wilder (and at a higher connect rate) in 9 of 12 rounds in the first fight, he looked on a different level 90% of the time. It was a clear indefensible robbery.

    Lol yeah sure. Theres a lot of guys Wilder hasnt stopped considering hes barely been in there with any of the current top 10-15. Fury was an attempted cherry pick gone terribly wrong, simple as that. Again, if Wilder beat him the first time there would have been no rematch, if Wilder beat him the second time there would be no rematch. His management just wants to keep rolling the dice hoping he lands his Hail Mary one of these times so he can finally get the m0nkey off his back and get that belt again. I doubt Wilder himself even wants another fight with Fury at this point, hes finished.
     
  6. Dubblechin

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    Fury wasn't a cherry pick before fight one, he wasn't a cherry pick before fight two and he won't be a cherry pick before fight three.

    All this nonsense has run its course.

    Wilder isn't the guy who has a loss to the sixth-ranked heavyweight today.

    Joshua is the guy who needs to step up.

    2017 is long gone.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    No one would class Wilder in the top 2 right now.

    It's quite clearly Fury and AJ.

    The top 10 by the ring

    Fury
    AJ
    Wilder
    Whyte
    Ortiz
    Parker
    Ruiz
    Hunter
    Povetkin
    Rivas
    Usyk

    AJ has beaten 4 of those.
    Fury has beaten 1 of those

    That being said Fury has twice dominated Wilder and is unbeaten, lineal and a favourite in the upcoming unification against AJ so his place at the top is clear.

    AJ has a very clear edge against everyone else in terms of resume so he's clearly number 2.

    As for 3rd, I'd probably go Whyte. He's beaten Povetkin, Rivas and Parker.

    Wilder, Parker and Ruiz are the same kinda level.

    Then I'd say Hunter is next.

    Ortiz and Povetkin are the next two imo.

    Then Rivas.

    Usyk is probably the 2nd best HW in the world after Fury, he'd be a favourite over the rest of the top ten. But his resume right now at HW is weak so he's hard to place.

    But to answer the question, no, Wilder is absolutely not in the top 2 right now (LOL)
     
  8. Dubblechin

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    Usyk is lucky to be tenth. His claim to fame at heavy is he outpointed Hunter years ago in another division.

    Joshua is lucky to be two. Nobody in the top 10 has a loss to the sixth rated Ruiz, except Joshua, who was dropped four times and quit.

    The highest rated current contender Joshua has faced was Whyte, who he fought ONCE six years ago before either sniffed a belt.

    2015 was a long time ago.
     
  9. waitakiwylie

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    Fury is No.1 by a long way.
    Can any of the top 10 cause Fury any trouble? Probably not. AJ is way too slow - and the smaller faster guys are just too small.
    In terms of résumé. Wilder has a draw against Fury - so that beats any of the other top 10's previous wins.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    No, his claim to fame is unifying the Cw division and beating Chisora.

    Joshua has also beaten Ruiz, he's 1-1 with him, unlike anyone else in the top ten he's avenged all of his defeats. He's beaten Whyte, Ruiz, Parker and Povetkin. 4 of the top ten.

    Whyte has the next best resume but he lost by ko to AJ.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    No one on this site considers the draw with Fury to be a legit result.

    Fury dominated the first.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    Wilder coming directly off a KO loss (and then 14+ months of farting around) ranked #2, over Joshua? :dunno Yeah, um - no. IDGAF what Arreola, Ruiz or Parker did this past weekend, still no.
     
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  13. waitakiwylie

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    He dominated most of the fight - but have you ever seen anything soo close to a knockout as that 12th round?
    Will anyone ever beat Fury on points or is a knockout the only option? If so, we could be looking back in 10 years time saying Wilder was the only fighter who ever got close to beating Fury.
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    Joshua has been farting around for three years.

    While Wilder has fought the current world champ twice and the current #4 contender twice over the last three years and knocked them down a half dozen times along the way ....

    In the same time frame, Joshua edged the current #5 guy, stopped the current #8 guy, got dropped four times and quit against #6 guy and ran from him in the return.

    He has been coasting. The Whyte win six years ago is fading from view.
     
  15. uhd100

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    Anyone who STILL thinks Wilder is above Joshua is a genuine moron and should be disqualified from certain professions.