Are Fury and Wilder still #1 and #2 ?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Big John McDermott was the closest to beating Fury.

    Chaves vs Martinez was similar. Wilder landed his Hail Mary shot, it just wasn't enough.
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    These guys are in such denial over Joshua I have actually seen people type the names Kingpin Johnson and John McDermott today in an attempt to keep Joshua on his current pedestal.

    They are really living in the past.

    It is 2021. Time for Joshua to fight someone in the current top four, at least.
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He's supposed to fight Fury. The contract came in and even Warren confirmed this a couple days ago. If he beats Fury or gives him a harder fight than Wilder did all the things You're saying are not going to age well. You're potentially digging up a hole for yourself.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder got battered by Fury, he`s temp outg of the picture and hopefully stays out of the way so the Fury v AJ fight can go ahead, Usyk would beat Wilder.
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Joshua fights Fury, floors him twice and manages to fight him to a draw, what won't age well are all these ludicrous posts insisting Joshua outpointing Parker and Ruiz were better than Wilder dropping Fury twice and drawing with him. (LOL)

    If Joshua accomplishes what Wilder did against Fury, it will be the best performance of Joshua's career.

    If Joshua floored Fury twice, think anyone will say, "I don't know, those boring decisions over Parker and Ruiz were pretty sweet." LOL

    No.
     
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  6. boxingforum24

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    1. Tyson Fury
    2. Anthony Joshua
    3. Deontay Wilder
    4. Dillian Whyte
    5. Andy Ruiz
    6. Joseph Parker
    7. Alexander Povetkin
    8. Luis Ortiz
    9. Oleksander Usyk
    10. Joe Joyce
     
  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That was not a draw Fury comfortably outboxed him besides the 2 knockdowns. He outboxed him just as easy as he did Chisora. Fury was robbed
     
  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LOL.
     
  9. waitakiwylie

    waitakiwylie New Member Full Member

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    Is Whyte really #4? He has beaten Parker/Povetkin/Chisora. But he struggled against all of them. Usyk on the other hand never looked in trouble against Chisora and has dominated another top contender in Hunter.
     
  10. boxingforum24

    boxingforum24 Member Full Member

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    Usyk will only go up once he beats more ranked fighters.

    However ranks 4 - 10 I'm almost happy to list in any order.
     
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  11. waitakiwylie

    waitakiwylie New Member Full Member

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    Fair enough. I rate Joyce top 15 not top 10 - as he was getting beaten by Dubois until the eye injury. Same for Povetkin, he is in a serious decline - and may not ever fight again. I'd put Hunter in the top 10.
     
  12. TMLT87

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    Fury was not considered some ATG monster at the time of the first Wilder fight. He was the guy who punched himself in the face, got dropped by Steve Cunningham (remember how often people brought that up in regards to him dealing with Wilders power?) then had one good night vs an old complacent Wlad in one of the most boring low activity HW fights ever, never had the rematch, ballooned up to like 400lbs during almost 3 years of inactivity, then came back and looked like **** against Seferi and Pianeta, going the distance with the latter. Then lo and behold hes all of a sudden signed to fight Wilder a few months and 2 terrible performances vs cans into his comeback.

    He was considered badly ring rusted, out of shape, washed up, delusional and pillow fisted, and was widely expected to get KTFO. Then Wilder was gonna walk around calling himself lineal champ, saying he beat the best British HW etc. Wilders team thought they were being smart using Fury as a negotiation tactic vs AJ, and they ****ed up.

    As for the rematch, not really a cherry pick but Wilder entered that fight expecting Fury to try and dance around and spoil for 12 rounds again, giving him ample time to just headhunt and find the shot he needs. Again..."he needs to be perfect for 12 rounds", Wilder did NOT expect Fury to turn into a ****ing wrecking ball, nobody did. So once again Wilders team ****ed up badly.
     
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  13. TMLT87

    TMLT87 New Member Full Member

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    LOL he won about 3 of a combined 19 rounds. All in the first fight when Fury had been back for like 6 months, then got absolutely demolished in the rematch when Fury was at 100%. What an accomplishment. I suppose John McDermott and Steve Cunningham are more accomplished than AJ too?
     
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  14. kirk

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    Wilder has never been ahead of AJ imo


    Edit : ok the 6 months in between ruiz fights maybe but you know what i mean.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not true. Hell, Wilder won seven rounds in fight one on the Mexican judge's card and two of the completed six rounds on Glen Feldman's card in the rematch. That's nine of 19 rounds on just those two cards. Even the British judge had the first fight a draw. (LOL)

    Wilder was a point away on the British judge's card from outpointing Fury via split decision in fight one.

    Fights can look different in person than they do on TV. Clearly. Especially the sound of punches. Ever been to a real professional fight? Ever been a few feet away when a heavyweight gets blasted to the deck and falls unconscious?

    It's quite different than watching replays on your computer.
     
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