Are Fury and Wilder still #1 and #2 ?

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You seem to be absolutely wrong about everything (LOL).

    The year Wilder signed to fight Fury in 2018, Fury began the year as the undefeated RING LINEAL HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP.

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    In fact, in a colossal bonehead move by the Ring staff - one of their dumbest moves in the magazine's long history -- they decided to remove Fury as the Ring champ due to inactivity a few months before FURY RETURNED and fought three times that year. (LOL)

    They stripped Fury for inactivity the SAME year he was the MOST ACTIVE heavyweight in the top 10. (LOL)

    So, even they get it wrong sometimes. They certainly did that year.

    The Ring staff at that time will forever have to explain how Fury began 2018 as Ring champ, fought three times in 2018 (more than any other top heavyweight at that time), never lost a fight that year, and began the following year rated #2. (LOL)

    It's among the dumbest things that magazine has ever done in its history.

    With that, I think I'm done talking to you. You seem to be trolling. The Fury punch to his own face was like 2010. It's 2021.

    You guys need to CATCH UP. All your arguments center on five years to more than a decade ago.

    It's about where they should be rated RIGHT NOW. Nothing that happened a decade ago matters in the least to someone's current rating.

    Fact is, in the current ratings, nobody who got dropped four times and quit against the current sixth-rated heavyweight Ruiz deserves to be the #1 contender right now.

    Joshua hasn't done anything to dig out of that hole and move ahead of everyone else in the current standings. It's the worst loss of anyone in the current top 10. Even Parker didn't lose to Ruiz, let alone get dropped four times and quit against him.
     
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  2. TMLT87

    TMLT87 New Member Full Member

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    You're conveniently ignoring the part where Joshua then won almost every round of the rematch a few months later. He also beat Pulev after that, holds 3 of the 4 major belts and has wins over four of the current Ring HW top 10. Wilder doesnt have any belts, hasnt competed since a bad loss over a year ago, and has beaten one guy who Ring has in the top 10.

    The only times Wilder had a clear case for being ranked ahead of AJ was pre-AJ/Wlad and the gap between AJ/Ruiz 1 and Wilder/Fury 2.

    You're claiming Fury was considered the best HW at a time where his only fights in 3 years were against Pianeta and Seferi, and that Wilder won almost half of the rounds against him. But sure, im the one trolling here.
     
  3. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    AJ wins over Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte Parker, Ruiz and Pulev are all more impressive than Wilders most impressive win over Ortiz ( he has no other noteworthy win and there is about 10 guys in the divison with better resumes than Wilder). Same can be said about Fury and his wins over Wilder (which is his third best win after Wlad and Chisora).

    As for this weekend I had Parker winning rightfully against a chisora who is experiencing an Indian summer of a career (best career wins Takam, Spzilka and Price all came later on when he became a born again christian and as he said himself became more disciplined with his training). Parker reumes of wins with wins over Ruiz, Chisora, Takam, Hughie and Fa is far superior to Wilders wins over Ortiz, Spzilka, Washington, Duhaupas and Stiverne.

    Ruiz had a disspointing peformance but still won every round outside rounds 2 and 3.

    It's seem only AJ or Aj opponents get discredit for underperformances. If we look into Wilders and Furys record:

    Wilder doesnt get any discredit for being rocked and losing to rounds Ortiz before the KO. Washnington and Spzilka outboxing Wilder before the KO. Being rocked by Molina and taken into deep rounds by Molina. Taken into deep rounds by Duhaupas who busted Wilders face up and had a questionable stoppage. Dropped by Nichols and Scroniers.

    Fury dropped by pjakic and Cunningham. Should of lost to McDemort. Rocked by Flirtha. Lost 4 rounds to Wallin and had the Wilder rematch not been in the line Fury of lost the fight due to stoppage by the cut.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You've quoted the wrong post here buddy.

    I was asked about if it's possible to beat Fury on points, I pointed out that someone already should have done.

    Don't know where you get Kevin Johnson from (LOL)
     
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  5. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Active Member Full Member

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    How anyone can argue Wilder is number 2 after the absolute beating he took off Fury, and the fact that his best win was against Ortiz, is amusing.

    AJ has 3 belts, Joshua has had to defend those against Povetkin, Ruiz, Parker, Wladmir.

    Wilder won his belt of Stiverne, and has to defend them against the likes of Washington and Brazeale.
     
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  6. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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  7. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think there is enough to support a case for Wilder to considered ahead of Whyte or Parker nevermind AJ looking at their resumes.
     
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  9. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Fury is number one, Joshua number two. Not much between those two, but Fury's super last performance stands to keep him at the top until events prove otherwise. I honestly don't get what you think Wilder has done to merit a place in the top two. By rights he should've lost his crown in LA.
     
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  10. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg @excelsioroptimum Full Member

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    Wilder has fought two decent opponents- Ortiz (old) and Fury (only once in shape). Seriously, how many rounds of the 33 completed did Wilder actually win in those 4 fights? Frank Bruno would have an identical resume to Wilder if he fought his opponents.
     
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  11. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer Floyd is Canelo's pappa Full Member

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    Sorry mate, you’re clutching at straws here to pump Wilder up.

    So, in theory, because Ruiz and Parker looked ****e in the weekend, Wilder has fought tougher opponents? Cut it out.

    Outside of Fury (who Wilder arguably lost to twice) and Ortiz (who has also looked terrible in the past against lesser opponents) who has he fought exactly?

    Whyte, Ruiz, Parker, Klitschko are all better fighters than Ortiz.

    Ortiz is a Pulev level heavyweight at best - so please don’t try and hype him up as the next Mike Tyson.
     
  12. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer Floyd is Canelo's pappa Full Member

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    Fantastic post - exactly what I was thinking as I read this thread :clap:

    Nothing but bloated support from the same old Wilder excusers.

    Who is Wilder fighting again...? Even he himself doesn’t think he’s in the top5 otherwise he’d have pushed to fight by now to redeem himself.
     
  13. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder is #3 or hell possibly even #4 behind AJ & Usyk.
     
  14. Safin

    Safin Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It really doesn't matter.

    Fury, Wilder, Joshua and Usyk all need to face each other.

    Joshua can't be number 1 or 2 because he lost to Andy Rice Pudding Jr, and particularly in devastating fashion.
     
  15. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    These “he looked good in this fight, he looked bad in this fight, so that means X Y and Z” doesn’t really work outside of casual fan reaction. Wilder has looked poor against many fighters that lesser fighters pummelled to the ground. Look at Szpilka. He gave Wilder real problems. Chisora destroyed him from the get go. Washington gave Wilder problems that he was not able to do against lesser fighters.
     
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