Are Fury and Wilder still #1 and #2 ?

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  1. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Active Member Full Member

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    Good fighters can lose to lesser fighters on the night. You're not lesser than everyone that beats you.

    He suffered a shock defeat due to a style clash and getting his tactics wrong. He corrected that mistake, and dominated Ruiz 2nd round. I see no reason to predict a different outcome 9/10 in the future.

    Ruiz cannot really do anything if Joshua is leaning back with that Jab, sticking with left jabs and straight rights. Joshua will win by UD 9/10, 1/10 Ruiz wins by KO.
     
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  2. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Active Member Full Member

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    If Joshua beats Fury fair and square he can settle this.
    Or he can fight Wilder. But he already made that pretty difficult with the A-side antics, regardless of the Hearn propaganda. The idea deluded Wilder was scared of AJ is absurd, he would have believed he could KO anyone, especially back then.
     
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  3. Safin

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    I never said that he was worse than Andy Rice Pudding Jr. This is a stain on his record that far exceeds any stain on anyone else's.

    He "dominated" (hardly) Rice Pudding Jr in a terrible bout in which he was petrified and barely hit him the entire night. Rice Pudding Jr came in with extra Rice Pudding at nearly 290lbs. Wow. So impressive.
     
  4. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Active Member Full Member

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    Never said it was really impressive, but he won massively on the score cards. It was domination because Ruiz had literally no success in the fight.

    Joshua has the stain on his record, but he also has strong wins such as Wladmir and 2018 Povetkin that are better wins than any Wilder has acquired. How you rate Parker, Pulev and Ruiz vs Ortiz is up to you, but they're all probably similar quality.

    I truly believe 2018 Povetkin vs Wilder would be 50/50, and Wladmir at 41 would KO Wilder 7-8/10.
     
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  5. Safin

    Safin Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    And I also believe X, Y and Z would also beat X, Y and Z.

    The fact is that Joshua got battered by a a morbidly obese midget who has done nothing else in the division.
     
  6. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Active Member Full Member

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    A like I said before, better fighters have lost against lesser opposition also. Joshua has beaten better than Ruiz. Any fighter can have a bad night. You have to break down exactly WHY he lost, not that he lost.

    He got his tactics/approach wrong on the night, he changed his style a lot, and the AJ from the 2nd fight would beat Andy Ruiz from fight 1.
     
  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ruiz is a Chisora level fighter and was a late replacement and Aj lunged in there and got countered. Joshua is number 2 and is highly skilled but the fact and Aj he has a porcelain jaw so he couldn't take Ruiz's shots, but he dominated in the rematch and would dominate Ruiz in any future rematches no matter Ruiz's shape. All the loss shows is Aj just has a glass chin, but he still has the best resume in the division.
     
  8. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    AJ was far more agrress8ve and landed far more on Rui,lz in their secind fight than Fury did against Wlad. Woukd you say Fury was petrified of Wlad?
     
  9. Safin

    Safin Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    No matter how many times you parrot the "Joshua (or "AJ") best record in the division" myth, doesn't make it true.

    He bought his title from Charles Martin, who won the title by default, and is terrible. He then faced absolute bums like Molina and Breazeale, a Euro level guy in Takam, Povetkin who has never held a world title and was old and Parker who lost to Whyte who is apparently British level. He fought old, inactive Klitschko in ..... the UK, just like in all of these wins, and went life and death with him. He then lost to Rice Pudding Jr who hasn't beaten anybody decent in his career and is a morbidly obese, short, fat guy who got dropped by 40 year old formerly retired bum Arreola. You love to forget that records must be weighed up with their losses. This is an enormous stain on the record. He then beat him in a terrible bout.

    Fury has 3 top level wins, and has also faced similar opposition for the rest of his wins. Fury dethroned two very long reigning champions, in their venue of choice.

    Any time anybody says Joshua has the best record in the division is seriously clutching at straws and is completely deluded. Go through each of his wins like I have in response. Give me a good laugh.

    Did you just compare 5'11'' 290lbs Andy Rice Pudding Jr to..... 6'5'' 245lbs long reigning champion with one of the hardest right hands and best jabs in history Wladimir Klitschko?

    Wow.
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    LOL i expected better from you. Complete bias. Nobody has ever said Martin or Breazeale or Molina or Takam are his top wins whatsoever. Joshua and Fury both beat old Klitschko who is levels above Deontay Wilder but for the sake of resume Fury's win over Klitschko is clearly better because he easily beat Klitschko and took his belts

    But who is Fury's next best win. Wilder ? LMAO you must be smokin that strong. Wilders best win is 2 fights against old Luis Ortiz who himself has only beaten Bryant Jennings and in addition to that he got saved by the bell in the first fight and got schooled in the second fight before landing his hail mary right hand. Wilder took the belt from a bum Bermane Stirvine and defended it against other bums like Duhapas, Molina, Breazeale, Washington, and Szpilka yet you never mentioned those fights now did you. Funny thing is that 3 of those bums gave him a hard fight. Povetkin never won a world title because his only loss was to Wladimir Klitschko in his prime. Povetkin past his prime KO'd Whyte who has a better resume then Wilder himself and he did this TWO years after Aj beat him.

    Who's Fury's third best win behind overrated 1 trick pony Wilder ? Chisora ? You mean the guy who got schooled by Kubrat Pulev and got Knocked out by Whyte ? Funnily enough didn't Fury duck Whyte for the diamond belt and threaten to vacate his belt if they forced Fury to fight his mandatory ? Hmm. Lmao if Aj beats Fury I better not hear any inactivity excuses. Aj is no Lennox Lewis but you don't have to be a Lennox Lewis to dominate this era.
     
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  11. Aussie Invader

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    if joshua doesnt fight wilder or fury, he deserves to be judged harshly.
     
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  12. Mitch87

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    Why?

    I mean AJ team attempted to make fight and made about half dozen career high purses in doing so. Wilders team turned down them all down and his own manager stated he had no real interest in fighting AJ.

    Fury has already turned down an offer from AJs team to fight the likes Schwarz and Wallin instead. Although I am optimistic they will fight this year.

    AJ team can't force the opposition to get in the ring with him. The evidence clearry reports that his management where the only side attempting to make the Wilder fight.

    At present we can only go on their reumes and AJ clesrly has best and deepest (Wilder doesnt even have a resume top merit top 5 let alone AJ).
     
  13. Dubblechin

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    The Whyte fight was SIX years ago. Joshua was dropped four times and quit against Ruiz. The Parker fight was a boring 12-rounder.

    Again, if Joshua fights Tyson Fury in a unification bout, floors Fury twice, nearly has him out, and the fight ends in a draw ...

    Will any of you say ... but Joshua's boring decision win over Parker was so much better? No.

    Or will you say Joshua getting floored four times himself and quitting against Ruiz, and then winning a boring 12-round decision was so much better? No.

    Or will you say the Whyte fight before either Joshua or Whyte even sniffed a belt was better than flooring the World Champ Fury twice and the fight ending in draw? NO

    Because that would be RIDICULOUS. But you routinely trot out those performances and say they are better than Wilder doing that to Fury.

    And it's ridiculous! (LOL)

    If Joshua accomplishes what Wilder did against Fury, dropping him twice, drawing with him, it will be the BIGGEST accomplishment of Joshua's career on the biggest stage.

    I can't believe you guys think the Parker fight or the Whyte fight when they were up-and-comers is a bigger deal.

    You guys are either lying or you are totally in denial.

    That's all I can think.

    And, sorry, running for 12 rounds against Ruiz in a return didn't erase the cowardly act of spitting out his mouthpiece and quitting against Ruiz when there was nothing wrong with him. No broken hands. No torn biceps. No broken jaw or split nose or too many cuts to see thru the blood. He could use both arms and legs.

    He just quit when the going got too tough. Spit out his mouthpiece and quit then grabbed the mic and smiled and gave a speech, after getting dropped four times and quitting against a then-unrated late sub.

    Joshua's recent wins in no way measure to Wilder's wins over the currently fourth-rated Ortiz. Hell, if Joshua fought Ortiz next, and and stopped him, like Wilder did, THAT would be the biggest win in Joshua's career in four years.

    Wilder did that twice in the last three years.

    You guys are all in denial. Just keep telling yourself the Parker win was awesome and the Whyte win SIX YEARS AGO still merits a #2 rating. (LOL)

    I never saw someone lean on one non-title, early-career win for so long in my life.

    You guys are lost. Joshua hasn't done anything in YEARS. I know, because if Joshau had, you would talk about it. Instead, you talk about Wilder fights in 2015 and 2017 and Joshua fights in 2015 and 2017 ... because talking about fights in the last three years show Joshua doesn't belong that high anymore. (LOL)

    You are all living in 2017, and it's 2021.

    Catch up!

    Enjoy your day.
     
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  14. TMLT87

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    Lmao @ you trying to hype that draw up so much. A gift draw that most people considered a robbery, against a guy who had been back for like 6 months after years of inactivity and abusing his body, who then subsequently destroyed him in the rematch. The idea that that was a bigger achievement than knocking out Wlad is utterly laughable. You must either be the worlds biggest Wilder fan or you're taking the ****.
     
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  15. Doppleganger

    Doppleganger Southside Slugger Full Member

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    Not this crap again.

    Wilder is not No 2, end of.
     
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