Are Haye/Calzaghe/Pavlik undisputed champions?

There are two ways to become an undisputed champ in a weight class:

Unify ALL titles or defeat someone who has done it and never lost a fight in that category since then.

There's no room for arguments there, that's the definition of 'becoming an undisputed champ'.

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This thread is garbage, and completely biased.

 

Well he had the IBF belt, but dropped it. I would say that is a technicality and that he like Haye is indeed undisputed.

 

Yes, he never lost that in the ring.

 

That's my definition of undisputed champion aswell.

-You either start your own lineage by unifying all (major) belts
or
-You beat the man who holds that lineage (beat the man who beat the man that held the lineage)

Stripping a man who is undisputed still leaved that guy undisputed (just not anymore with all of the belts).
So Haye qualifies as undisputed in my book as he beat the main undisputed guy

 

Haye never held the IBF strap though. It was stripped from Bell after he went 15 months without fighting and refused to fight Cunningham.

 

The term "undisputed" is a bit subjective but in my opinion all three of these guys are UNDISPUTED Champs.

 

Pavlik is far from undisputed.

 

What does a title mean when, for example, Zab Judah loses to Baldomir, but retains his IBF belt?

Straps are only meaningful if they follow recognize the legit #1 guy; in and of themselvs they are nothing.

Nobody is ever truely undisputed, only undisputed to a reasonable degree, which Pavlik, Calzaghe, and Haye clearly are.

 

This is the problem of all the alphabet orgs. They strip a champ that is undisputed and put the title up for grabs between two contenders. One of the guys win and have a 'legit' title, even though the striped champ never lost that title in the ring. Besides your trio of champs in the title, PBF is in that boat also to be 100% honest. He beat baldo and Zab who both were undisputed champs, but now there are 3 other titlist out there at WW. To answer your question none of the champs are undisputed, but they are unified champs. To be undisputed, there is no dispute (logical or not) that the fighter is the champ. With a floating belt out there around someone else's waist, even if the champ never lost it in the ring, there is a dispute.

 

They are all undisputed to me.

It is very difficult to keep hold of all 3 or 4 titles due to the amount of pissy mandatories that need to be fulfilled. Lewis couldnt do it ...so dropped belts in order to face bigger opponents. Hopkins and Jones on the other hand tried to hold on to them all and were slated for fighting bums (ie mandatories) hakkar etc.

You cant win either way

 

Not disagreeing with you, but what would Pavlik need yo do to be undisputed?? :think