Are judges placing too much emphasis on aggression?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by demigawd, Dec 19, 2011.


  1. Brauer

    Brauer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Some people swell easier than others. A punch is not innefective if it lands flush. If the punch hurts a boxer it obviously weighs more than one than does not. You do not have to win by KO no matter your style. Ivan Caldeon went undefeated for around 30+ fights mostly counterpunching and putshotting, and not scoring almost any KOs.

    Learn from those who know more than you. Do not be close minded.
     
  2. Brauer

    Brauer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok you are just trolling. Go back to playing World of Warcraft buddy.
     
  3. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lara Williams & Pac Marquez were not about the judges scoring for aggression - they were about the judges being crooked.

    As for Ward Froch - the scores were too close but maybe the American judge made it closer than he needed to cause he was worried about the Khan fight the previous weekend.
     
  4. pahapoisu

    pahapoisu Superman! Full Member

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    So guys like Malignaggi...um, yeah. You logic is ****ing flawed.
    Marquez landed clean punches that made Paquiaos head snap and got him off balance.
     
  5. 11Hopeful

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    How do you explain that Manny was pretty swollen after the Clottey fight? If Marquez was landing so flush, then shouldn't the same thing happen to Manny's face after the Marquez fight? Clottey hit him less often according to compubox. Could it be that only a very small percentage of punches taken from Marquez actually landed hard and flush. You can pitter pat someone all day long, but that doesn't equate to winning the judges cards. The judges clearly saw the shots that fans without ring side view didn't see and ruled a victory all for Manny.
     
  6. Hook!

    Hook! Proud member of team G. Full Member

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    hbo are terrible
     
  7. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So we should pander to the crowds general appreciation of aggression over skill? They may as well watch WWE then.

    As for the robberies its partly judges scoring too heavily for aggression but mostly bias/corruption. In Britain you get premature 'British stoppages', in America they go for the fighter who has the promoter with the most sway(Shuemenov-Campillo, although there is occassionally a nationalistic/hometown bias. (Devon Alexander-Andreas Kotelnik is a glaring example) and we all know about Germany.
     
  8. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was wondering about that. It struck me that the Brit judge was the one guy who got it right. Would've been a travesty if Froch had got a draw.
     
  9. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Absolutely. Some of these judges are old enough, I wonder if they can actually see the punches land anyway. But I can think of many, many fights in the last few years and earlier where the guy who won did simply because he threw more punches and the judges seemed kind of blind (Williams-Martinez, Williams-Lara, Alexander-Kotelnik, Alexander-Matthysse, Cruz-Mashaba, Whitaker-Chavez, etc.)

    That said, they seem to place much less of an emphasis on pure aggression in Europe, and sometimes they place too much of a premium on pure accuracy over combined output.