I think they are, too many people take factor in their chins when they were great fighters. Their chins weren't all that bad either, IMO. Lasting five with the G-man toe to toe makes me think Jackson's chin isn't all that bad. Against McCallum, it wasn't like Jackson was out cold on the floor; sure he was hurt, but he hurt McCallum in round one and Mike at 154 was a pretty devastating puncher himself. Jackson beat some really good fighters and hung in with the best, even if he lost sometimes. And for a guy that supposedly didn't have very good boxing skills, he went undefeated for 7 years after McCallum and was even in the P4P lists at one point, having a record of 44-1 42 ko's. Terry Norris lost to Jackson, big deal, anybody can get knocked out brutally by Julian like that. Simon Brown was a pretty good fighter with big power in his own right, and even when Norris lost against him, he reversed the result in the rematch. Brown's power was still there, but Norris found a way around it. When people say that a lot of fighters can get to Norris' bad chin, I wonder if some have seen Norris in his prime, an indestructible force in the 154 lb division. His chin isn't great, but no way is it glass, as he has taken some other bombs from other fighters and still won the fight. I'd only pick McCallum, Hearns, and of course, Jackson, to definately be able to beat him in his prime at 154. Now these are two of my favorite fighters, so if I sound a little fanboyish, forgive me. Do you guys think Julian Jackson and Terry Norris are underrated?
No, too much use of the G word, niether of them are even top 100 of all-time fighters let alone Greats. Both were fun, and normally gave the fans good value. Both of them were solid performers who are all-time top 15 154lbers. Both also are in the top 100 of the 90s (I have Jackson at #57; Norris at #6).
you have a wierd list man, carlos ortiz #96, the dude beat 6 hall of famers and you rank him so low. Yet a guy like zarate is in ur top 40.
I was not using that list in my example (Jackson nor Norris are good enough for that list, just look at my #96 fighter for goodness sake! ), I was using my 90s list.
Jackson was one of the hardest hitters in the Jr. Middleweight Division. He had devistating power in the right hand. Norris on the other hand was a great, speedy boxer. Alot of natural ability. Plus a big heart as he proved by not humiliating a badly faded Sugar Ray Leonard. Both could have been rated as one of the top Jr. middle's, If not for a terrible boxing disease- Glassius Jawalitus.
I would say yes, they are. Two fighters that had all of the ability but was held back because of thier chins.. Norris is actually in the hall of fame so he had his share of success, but he could have been greater. He was one of the most fluent boxers that i have ever watched. Jackson had to be p4p one of the hardest punchers in any weight division. He could knock a person out with one punch.
Norris had a beautiful style and tons of ability, but ability doesn't equal greatness. He was to inconsistent to be considered great, but hey, the guy got into he Hall didn't he? I'd say he's pretty damn respected.
Win,Lose or Draw. Norris was always in top shape. Most of Tyson's losses were due to ouside distractions or being out of shape & not properly prepared. Norris always gave it his all in the ring. I don't think Tyson could make the same claim.
i dont see anything wrong with Norris or Jackson so far as chins go. they just mixed it up too much with dangerous fighters. Yes both men are underrated. People just plain dont like Norris because he beat up Ray Leonard so they downplay it and say he was nothing. along with that you have to say Leonard was washed up. Of course he was far from thru, he just met up with a better fighter. Norris and Jackson were a credit to the sport. If they were no good as everyone is saying they wouldnt have all their big wins. They won when they werent supposed to win. These two were so good they could go into the other fighters back yard and kick the **** out of him in front of their fans. This is what Norris did to John Mugabi. I predict that in time people will begin to appreciate these two fighters more. It isnt for nothing that I speak so highly of them.
True, not for nothing, you speak highly of Norris because he beat Leonard, and you speak highly of Jackson because he KO'd Norris. :good
A select few seem to look down on Jackson because of his part in what eventually happened to McClellan. Then again, I'm sure some people LIKE him for that.
Jackson was the nicest guy around, while McClellan was the meanest guy around. It's not hard to root for the nice guy, though I don't like the state McClellan's in.
Really don't think there's any debate what so ever that Jackson's the reason for Gerald's eventual problems. No real coincidence he starts having head aches and dizziness consistently after going to war with one of the hardest punchers of all time.