Are Manny Pac's opponents Handpicked?

This.

 

Yes.

Clottey, Margarito, Mosley are excellent examples. Pac was ranked 1 in the world at the time while none of these fighters were in the top 10 in the world.

Clottey was 6 at the time at ww.

Mosley was 6 at the time at ww.

Margarito unranked at any weight.

 

again, as asked earlier............when he fought these three, who were the fighters that he could have fought instead that were perceived to be riskier fight at that time??

 

Earlier in his career, he was legitimately fighting the best guys around. Since the Cotto bout, it's been around 50/50 for legit fights and handpicked fights.

Legit:

Marquez
Bradley

Farces:

Mosley (two punches in the 2nd round aside, even a blind many could see he was finished during the Mayweather fight)
Margarito (Didn't deserve the fight and had been blatantly fed opponents to try to give some legitimacy in his comeback from suspension. Even then, the only issue was how big a body could Pac put a beating on)

Should have been legit but turned into a farce:

Clottey (a top 5 or 10 contender who who had only recently lost his title belt in a fight where many thought he beat Cotto. Unfortunately, Clottey decided to make his money the easy way)

 

Certainly not on the lower weights.

But you can make arguments for Mosley, Margarito and JMM (backfired).

ODLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Bradley and JMM 4 were legit.

 

:huh

So what's wrong with Pacquioa's boxing record?

 

:blood

It was a close fight..

Pacquio - Marquez III

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Juan_Manuel_Marquez_(3rd_meeting)

Blake Dreisbach, BleacherReport.com: 116-112 Marquez
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
Ron Borges, The Sweet Science/Boston Herald/Ring Magazine: 117-112 Marquez
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Marquez
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 116-112 Marquez
Michael Marley, The Examiner: 115-113 Marquez
Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113 Marquez
Al Bernstein: 115-113 Marquez
Wayne McCullough: 115-113 Marquez
Ryan Maquinana, ***********.com: 116-113 Marquez
Matt Hamilton, EsNews.com: 116-115 Marquez
Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 115-113 Marquez
Bob Sheridan: 115-114 Marquez
John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun: 115-114 Marquez
Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 117-113 Marquez
Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 116-113 Marquez
Chris Williams, BoxingNews24.com: 117-111 Marquez
Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 116-112 Marquez
Lyle Fitzsimmons, The Sports Network: 116-112 Marquez
Steve Bunce, BBC: 117-111 Marquez
Matt Lynch, BoxingToday: 116-112 Marquez
Chuck Giampa, Retired Boxing Judge: 116-112 Marquez
Glyn Leach, Boxing Monthly: 115-113 Marquez
Briggs Seekins, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Marquez
Oly Goldstein, BadLeftHook.com: 116-112 Marquez
Johnny Benz, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-111 Marquez
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
George Willis, New York Post: 115-113 Marquez
Rich Thomas, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 116-112 Marquez
Raj Parmar, 3MoreRounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports: 115-113 Marquez
James Slater, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
Nick Tylwalk, BoxingWatchers.com: 115-113 Marquez
Bob Velin, USAToday: 115-113 Marquez
Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Marquez
Igor Guryashkin, ESPN: Marquez by one round
Brent Brookhouse, SB Nation: 115-113 Marquez
Will Cooling, FOX Sports/InsideFights: 118-110 Marquez
Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 116-112 Marquez
Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 115-113 Marquez
Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 115-113Marquez
Dan Ambrose, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 117-114 Marquez
Paul Magno, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Jerry Izenberg, Newark Star-Ledger: 115-114 Marquez
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Marquez
Fox Doucette, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Henry Ramirez, Boxing Trainer: 116-113 Marquez
Thomas Hauser, SecondsOut.com: 116-113 Marquez
Gerardo Granados, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
Robert Guerrero: 116-112 Marquez
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-113 Marquez
Graham Shaw, SportingLife.com: 116-113 Marquez
Max Kellerman, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Draw
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Draw
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114 Draw
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN/Reuters: 114-114 Draw
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114 Draw
Brian Campbell, ESPN Mobile: 114-114 Draw
george Elsasser, BraggingRightsCorner.com: 114-114 Draw
Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 114-114 Draw
Anthony Whitby, BoxingIQ.com: 114-114 Draw
Jeff Powell, The Daily Mail (UK): 114-114 Draw
Pace Miller, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 114-114 Draw
Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Elie Seckbach, ESNews.com/AOL News: 114-114 Draw
Roy Jones, Jr.: Draw
Joe Bruiser, FightFan.com: 116-116 Draw
Michael Wright, ESPNChicago.com: Draw
Mark Lichtenfeld, Ring Announcer/Member, Ring Magazine Ratings Panel: 114-114 Draw
Teddy June, RingJunkies.com: 114-114 Draw
Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 114-114 Draw
Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 114-114 Draw
Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager/Inductee, California Boxing Hall of Fame: 115-115 Draw
****** Tate, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 114-114 Draw
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Draw
Gary Andrew Pool, The Atlantic: 114-114 Draw
Beau Denison, SportsPageMagazine.com: 114-114 Draw
Daniel Herbert, Boxing News: 114-114 Draw
Leighton Ginn, Desert Sun (Palm Springs): 114-114 Draw
Doveed Linder, BoxingTalk.com: 114-114 Draw
Bob Papa, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Andrew Eisele, Boxing.about.com: 115-115 Draw
Charles Horgan, Boxing Tribune: 114-114 Draw
Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 114-114 Draw (Note: At the end of his live blog of the fight, he indicated his belief that Marquez had won; however, in his round-by-round, he scored Rounds 1-2, 5-7 and 12 for Marquez and Rounds 3-4 and 8-11 for Pacquiao.)
Kevin Cunningham, Boxing Trainer: Draw
Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao
Cliff Rold, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao
Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao
Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Glen Anglin, BoxingNews24.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Michael Rosenthal, Editor, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao
James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Anthony Lee, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Danny Serratelli, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao
Scott Shaffer, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao
Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Jason Peck, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao
Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao
Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao
Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ben Weisman, BoxingAsylum.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Madra Uladh, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Brad Cooney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round
"Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Greg Leon, BoxingTalk.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Darrell La Montre, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao
Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao

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Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw.

It was really a close fight.. :deal

 

Floyd but he turned that down over drug testing. Marquez was available back then.

Cotto gives more problems to Manny than Margarito at his punk ass 150 weight and he could have tried to negotiate that.

Floyd Mayweather rather than Clottey...used drug testing as an excuse not to fight...needed 24 days for some reason...rather than just test and get the fight going. Article already came out that they had agreed on everything else. Guy ducked #2 in the world (#3 WW at time) to fight the non top 10 world ranked and #6 ranked Clottey. There is one.

Margarito LMFAO. The guy who got caught cheating.:rofl:rofl Could have fought Marquez OR ANYONE AT 147-154 WOULD BE BETTER THAN THIS GUY.:rofl This is one of the worst cherry picks in the history of the sport.

Shane Mosley...LMFAO..could have done the Marquez 3 fight then...Marquez was world ranked at the time. Could have took Sergio Martinez up on his 150 pound offer which he said he was down with...that of course until he then said "no, but I'll do it at 147." Could have went after Andre Berto who was higher ranked and undefeated at the time he was looking for an opponent.

Manny then fought a game Marquez (3) and lost that fight about 8-4 at minimum (I had it 9-3 Marquez)..Marquez was ranked #5 at the time I believe so no worries there. I give credit where it's due.

Bradley also a decent fight though he could have fought Mayweather. Manny Priced himself out though and turned down 37.5% more than he has ever made. Floyd went on to receive a career high payday of $45 million and broke the guarantee record with $32 million (Oscar holds highest purse record, officially, at $52.8 million.

Now your a ******* so your going to find every way to discredit anything I just told you...but do what ya do.

When Manny was at the top all alone, HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER FOUGHT ANYONE RANKED OUT OF THE TOP 10 IN THE WORLD AND/OR TOP 4 IN HIS DIVISION.

 

No it wasn't LMFAO. You *******s are funny people....The fan poll the following week had 67% saying Marquez win while only 29% said Pac won...other 4% was a draw.

The media poll the following week had 46% giving the fight to Marquez while only 12% had Manny winning. The other 42% was a draw.

If you are going to say that Marquez Manny was not a robbery while Bradley Manny was a robbery then you don't know what the **** your talking about. Marquez won 8 clear rounds with Manny while Manny took 8 clear rounds with Bradley.

No matter how you look at it, the view is that Manny lost one (majority) and Manny won one.

Manny offiically beat Marquez but officially lost to Bradley. 1-1

OR

Manny unofficially beat Bradley and unofficially lost to marquez. 1-1

 

So Diaz, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Marquez III at WW aren't handpicks?

Silly *******s

 

Clottey was the best available Welter who wasn't tied up in a bout. (Floyd had broken off negotiations, Berto and Mosley were scheduled to fight each other, Ortiz hadn't made up for the Maidana stoppage yet, Cotto had just lost to Pac, etc.)

Marquez and Pac have always been the same size, size hadn't played a role in their fights before. I don't doubt that Pac's management thought the weight might slide things their way, but I think the boxing people always knew that it was going to be another Pac-Marquez bout, just like the 2 before it.

Diaz was his first fight at Lightweight, it was a perfectly acceptable match. Most people on here thought Pac was barely going to get by Diaz, if he won at all.

Like I said in my my post earlier this page, Mosley and Margo were both farce matchups, easy paydays.

 

So... I guess the moral of this thread is:

Every fighter handpicks their opponents. But when Floyd does it, he's a *****.

LOL, once again logic has been thrown off a cliff in sake of the fans' love for a fighter. SMH.

 

Manny has the best resume of the past 20 years. A few cherry pics in there of course but:
Marquez Morales Barrera hatton cotto bradley lebwada are nobodies cherry picks.

even some of his average wins like clottey. how to hell can you cherry pick clottey, or even margarito.

 

this

Margarito was still a risk because of the size difference. and manny is a come forward fighter. It was definetly a cherry pick for a light middle belt, but in terms of the competition it was tough.
Lets not forget this same margo was even money to beat cotto in his fight after. the same cotto that gave mayweather fits. So if that's a cherry pick!

I personally was nervous all the way through this fight up to about the 11th round and margo certainy had his moments. Alot of boxing experts gave Margo a massive chance here.

 

again how the hell can you cherry pick clottey. The guy is a beast who arguably beat cotto and a prime margo.

What was e cherry picked for? his fan base :rofl

he was unknown name, who hardcore fans new could be a threat.