Are modern white and asian champs under rated while black / brown over rated?

My intention here isn't to start a nasty hate filled thread so hopefully you can all follow my example and keep things respectful.

To me, it seems the idea of the Great White Hope thing has been flipped on its head. No matter what a modern day high profile white fighter does in the ring, it seems his weaknesses are focused on in the forums, where as, a black or brown fighter who is at or near the top of his game, seems to get his flaws overlooked more so and his abilities exaggerated.

This isn't to say white fighters are better than others. Its just to say that, for example, Vitali, Wlad, Pavlik, Calzaghe, Abraham, Kessler, Valuev, Chagaev, Karmazin when he was on a roll, seem to be picked apart far more than their counterparts like Hopkins, Miranda, Peter etc.

Here are some examples.

Peter loses to Wlad. Nearly loses to McCline. Yet he still remains The Great Black Hope despite his deficiencies, and is trumped up as this great warrior. But as soon as he loses to Vitali, not only is all that talk before ignored, but numerous threads are made saying Vitali deserves ZERO credit for the victory.

Same thing with Miranda. For awhile there he was the new Big Scary Black Monster. Even after his close calls BEFORE the Pavlik match, it was thought he would destroy Pavlik. After words, The Great Black Hope damage control squad goes into full swing claiming it was a weight issue. The Hope is slowly rebuilt so much that he isn't a big fave vs Abraham, whree he gets squashed.

Jeff Lacy. This guy was elected The Great Black Hope off of a very iffy resume, and bought into his own hype. Calzaghe was considered to have little chance. Yet after Calzaghe wins, to this day, people spend their lives on the forums discrediting his career. Even after beating Kessler and Hopkins since.

Kassim Ouma. This guy was considered to be some sort of phenom even after losing to Karmazin. It was like the Karmazin fight didn't even happen and there he was right back in big fights on HBO with them telling us his admittedly heart wrenching tale.

Its not like people don't pick apart Jones' career and Hopkins career or Julio Cesar Chavez' career or Oscar's career. They do.

But what is silly to me is how people seem so eager to elect the New Black God of Boxing yet at the same time they have to take the most negative possible look at a white or asian fighter.

Even now, they tear down Calzaghe, Pavlik and Wlad and Vitali. Its ok to do that contructively, lord knows they all have their faults, but it seems that the same group, if these fighters were black or brown, would be going totally ape **** over there accomplishments.

Could you imagine if Pavlik was black? The guy would be in ten thousand sigs right now and be The New Black Scary Monster. The threads would be religious in their devotion and the trash talking would be huge. All his deficiencies would be overlooked, just as Jeff Lacy's were before he got his ass kicked.

Could you imagine if Pacquiao was Mexican? I would say at least 60% of the hate for him would dissappear on that fact alone. It would be replaced by fan boy race based hero worship. Instead of the hate threads we would get endless homage to The New Brown Boxing God.

Now its Chad Dawson. The New Black Hope. You get these idiotic threads asking if he should be considered pound for pound #1 RIGHT NOW. I thought he lost to Glen Johnson but had a great fight and clearly handled Tarver. But pound for pound #1? Adamek was another very solid win. Harding, Gardner, Mendoza, Daniels, Darnell Wilson, Jesus Ruiz nice names to have on your resume.

I think Chad Dawson is a very good fighter, but like all those white fighters above, he too has his weaknesses.

I concede that maybe its because I am white, so I am just seeing this whole thing through my white microscope. Probably some moron will simply highlight that last sentence rather than intelligently respond to my post. But in all the forums I visit, I see very little racial rationalization for white and asian fighters and a ton of it for brown and black. Now I can't say that the ones posting this are any particular color, but I just wanted to point this out.

It seems black and brown fighters that get on a roll are considered incredible category 5 terrors but dismissed as over the hill, over weight, or over rated AFTER they lose to a white or asian fighter, like Peter and Miranda lost to Vitali and Pavlik or all the excuses for every Mexican that ever lost to Pacquiao, you could fill a book.

But white and asain fighters that get on a roll, the focus is never on how great they are doing, but how they are sure to lose and how it will of course come crumbling down so soon, its all a mirage all a myth.

Just think about it. If Pavlik and Pacquaio and Calzaghe and Wlad were all black and brown would they get this kind of hate?

I mean, even if every white and asian fighter gets blown to pieces in their next fight, it wouldn't take away what they already accomplished.

I know there are fighters like Gatti. Who made a ton of money for HBO and had a huge fan base, and fought with a ton of heart, but the guy wasn't a truly great fighter. You can look at a guy like Emmanuel Augustus, and say, he could have had a great career like Gatti if he played his hand out differently, or caught a couple of breaks, or........was white with the same crazy attitude and skill set.
But Gatti wasn't considered a Deity, like The Great Black Hopes are considered so quickly.

Why was Lacy, Ouma, Peter, Miranda and now Dawson elected The New King - Glass is half full, while Pavlik, Calzaghe, Wlad, Vitali are glasses half empty????

 

"son"? :nut lets keep it respectful, thanks.

outside of Hatton and Kahn to an extent, none of those white (and Pakistani / English) fighters were hyped to the level of Lacy, Miranda, Taylor, or Peter. And Hatton certainly has an army of detractors. And they shouldn't be hyped huge, which is my point. There seems to be far more hero worship of the black and brown fighters and less contructive criticism. The white / asian fighters seem to get both more intelligent criticism and just down right venemous antipathy.

I think the criticisms of Haye have mostly been that he is running his mouth before accomplishing anything at Heavyweight. With Mayweather most people, even those that criticise him will concede the guy is a master boxer, an incredible talent, but he too, acts like he ran the table, when he bailed out of the most exciting division of boxing leaving the greatest challenges untested.

If Mayweather had been white, I wonder if the criticisms would be far worse and the praise not as forthcoming.

Do you honeslty think Cotto, Dawson, Williams and Holt are considered hype jobs? They seem to get plenty of respect despite their deficiencies.

I just don't see all these "damage control" threads after a brown or black fighter caps a major victory. But you seem them, endless threads, whenever a white fighter wins. Examples: - Morales was shot in the second and third Pac fights, Barrera was shot in the second and bad camp in the first, Marquez won 11 rounds in Pac / JMM one :nut and won the second for sure,nevermind what we said before the fight Peter was always a joke so Vitali's victory is meaningless, Ouma was sick vs Karmazin, Miranda was overweight, Zag really lost to Hops, etc etc.

Its like I feel there is this immense determination to downplay every victory a white fighter has. Like, for example, if Chad Dawson was white, I feel like we wouldn't be talking about should he be pound for pound #1 we would be talking about, well, the dude got knocked down vs Adamek, my man Johnson wooped him and they stole it from him cuz Dawson is their white hope, he beat Tarver so what? Tarver is OLD.

Do you see what I mean? There seems to be all this racially tipped venom out there where people will decide whether they will downplay a fighter's accomplishments not based on what they think of the fighter but what his race is.

Obviously this isn't everyone, but it seems to be a lot more of it focused on white/asian rather than black/ brown, meaning, threads that don't make a whole lot of sense that just jacknife a fighters performance in an overboard fashion.

I mean, to me, to say that Vitali's victory was meaningless, is pretty absurd. I can go with the idea that he simply exposed Peter before someone else did, which itself is debatable, maybe it took a Vitali to do it and do it well, but to come on here and make a thread whose sole point is to let us know that we shouldn't give him any credit at all, to me that strikes me as somebody just hating it when a guy gets credit and wanting to deflate it.

And I see these attempts at deflation with the white / asian guys way more than the black / brown.

Example: Lacy hits Reid extremely late after the break, and hurts Reid, and ends up stopping Reid, and Pemberton, and stop the presses. Its Mike Tyson thundering down the street, everyone be very scared. I swear, if Pavlik was black or Pacquiao Mexican, the threads would be insane just going off the Lacy pre Calzaghe threads. And Pavlik and Pac have already accomplished incredible feats yet half the threads are "Just you wait! He is in for it this time! He sucks!!!" threads.

But like others have written, I think its ingrained in our sociology, the black and the brown are the fighting races. I don't think its just brown and black posters that write this stuff, I think its posters of every race, who just have been conditioned to look as the black and brown fighters as the natural kings and the white ones as hype jobs. Certainly, it has played out that way many times, but so it has with every race.