Are modern white and asian champs under rated while black / brown over rated?

you heard that one too then?could that be one of the lamest and most unoriginal arguments to bring to the table i mean who do these people think they are to suggest with such throw away regard there utter superiority and dogmatic reasoning that most fighters today are mere opportunists capitalising on american nonchalance towards the sport,i had a kindergarden type scuffle with a fellow poster the other day suggesting that he could name loads of guys who looked like they could have done something in boxing, yes his whole emphasis and reckoning was based on how a guy looked,then again he was a kimbo slice and bob sapp groupie which speaks plainly enough!so we can summise that the guys who should be on the ukranian brothers etc resume are now currently dressed in ludicrous padding,headbutting there teammates and throwing an egg around a stadium somewhere in the NFL.

 

first off the sons just a saying, no disrespect intended.....but back to the point

all the "i feel blacks are overhyped more often" is simply opinionated, i can sit here and say white fighters are overhyped more, because the fact is that any and everyone can overhype a fighter......it's not like we can sit here and recall every thread ore every example, so just leave it at that......i dont know with 100% certainty which race overhypes there fighters more, and neither do you...but the point is that all races do it

and you say the haye hate comes from his mouth.....well i can say the pavlik hate or calzaghe hate comes from there resumes........

you say they both "accomplished incredible feats"....what incredible feats?, he's only fought one fighter who was a titlest at the time...and that Jermain Taylor, who was getting criticised heavy for his last fights about how sloppy, and overrated he was even after winning, and by his fellow americans at that.....this is fact, theres nothing incredible about beating Jermain taylor, was it a good win? yeah....is it credited? yeah....

so he beats Jermain Taylor, then everyones hyping him up as the "birth of a real american champion"...c'mon now thats clearly because he's white that they're saying that.....just like all that "blue collar" bull****

so bottomline if he's overlooked it's because his resume's not all that legit.....you feel me?

and on to calzaghe......it took him how long to fight a fight with a legit name and a legit record to go with it????....over 12 years?, it's obvious why he's been decreddited

and on that "no credit since tarvers OLD"...ok tarvers 40 years old, B-hop who Joe and Pavlik fought is 43years old.....so whats that mean?

and as for cotto, williams, dawson, and holt....i've heard everyone one of them ragged as overrated, glass jawed, decent at best, etc......so to make a long story shot......every fighter has it's share of haters and nay-sayers.....

just like every fighter has it's share of people who nuthug or overhype......so thats why threads like these are pointless, because to limit it to one race or two races, or a handfull of fighters and deny the fact that it doesn't happen to others is ridiculous.....and if the best argument that can be made is "well, they do it more then we do" then ****.....thats just a stupid ass debate to begin with, so why even point it out??

we can go back and forth for days pointing out overrated fighters and fighters that get slept on by certain races.......that's because it happens all the time, thats why to point out something like that is pointless

 

1. Because Lacy was the IBF champion after 17 fights and an olympic medalist. Pavlik hadnt stepped up to the level Lacy was at until he beat Miranda. Pav was also poorly promoted and didnt have a good amateur career. Dont try to compare an unproven Miranda to a a great like Calazage.

2. You do realise Pavlik is getting far more accolades than Mayweather got at 130? Mayweather achieved far more at 130 than Pavliks done at 160. Thats the race card right there if anything :deal

3. Yet your wrong, most the white fighters you quote havent fought the best and you ignore 1 of the best white fighters in Ricky Hatton, which points to your ignorance of the sport

4. Are you saying there aren't top black and Latin fighters anymore? White fighters have champions at Heavyweight, 168, 160, 140 all the rest ahave main champions who Black or Latin.

5. Your focus seems to be on colour

6. Everyone's hyping Gamboa because he has the best skills since Roy Jones and was decoriated amatuer

7. How many people say Dawson should be P4P no1? He certainly hasnt achieved it, but he is a very skilled fighter breaking and quite possibly beats Calazage and Pavlik. If he beats them then maybe he would be P4P no1 so he has potential.

OK well how about you and the rest of fans ignoring Joan Guzman, does that make you racist? hes a 2 division champion and beat two top5 fighters at 130lbs and has some of the best P4P skills out there and is unbeaten.

Just for the record I have Calazage a white fighter as P4P no1

 

Everyone's hyping Gamboa because he has the best skills since Roy Jones and was decoriated amatuer .....huh?lol.

 

Very nice question! And when the Calzaghes beat the Lacys, not only they don't get the respect but the Lacys are getting a lot of disrespect BECAUSE they lost to the Calzaghes...

Interesting thread... but I for myself don't think about black or white or any color... it's more like being an American or fighting on US TV regularly vs. not... if you see Cotto all the time, you see him overcome difficulties, you see him progress, you'll praise him. If you don't see the Calzaghes and the title defenses and only see him fight Hopkins, it's really easy to overlook his true abilities - if you don't watch other Kessler or Reid fights, you just simply can't see how Calzaghe adjusts to the other style and takes away weapons (like the Hopkins right... no one, I mean NO ONE gives credit to Joe for taking away the key weapon of Nard.)

So, as I've said, it's not about color or nationality - it's about watching some fighters from the beginning of ESPN/Versus to HBO PPV and know them vs. other fighters suddenly appearing on HBO to fight them. When the bell rings, you've got one fighter you really know and the other you've only watched a few times or never.

To be fair with that majority, it's easier to look from the Lacy perspective - if he wins, he's Tyson, if he loses, he's an overrated bum. It's because you only see the Lacy of the fight compared to the Lacy you know inside your head. You doesn't have an image of Calzaghe in your brain cells, so you simply don't give credit for such a great performance.

 

Good Post:good

 

Just an old boxing cliché which was born with the opposite argument and that was that a White fighter should not get his hands dirty with the coloured folks... These days nobody believes in the superior athleticism, jazz-like improvisational ability of the coloured brothers but I would tell you that being brought up from poverty is a factor within, and we can't really say that our white brothers have had more difficulties in life than our latino, asian, africans and afro-american friends. They all show themselves when coloured red with blood.

 

Personally, I think you're too sensitive. Fighters of all races get shitted on. There is no black hope, there are too many black fighters to even have a black hope. Mayweather, Dawson, Lacy, Taylor, Berto, Williams etc. All of those guys get plenty of **** on this forum. Your bias isn't allowing you to see the whole picture. You're only paying attention to the negative things said about white fighters and the positive things said about black fighters. However, plenty of black fighters get hated on and plenty of white fighters get a lot of praise. Pavlik is praised by Americans on here and shitted on by Euros. The opposite is true for Calzaghe.

 

Seeing that P4P Pac and Calzaghe are rated one and two, id say NO they are not underrated. Also Pavlik being in the top 10 after so few top level fights shows he is overrated. Its more a case of people wanting him to be great.

 

Interesting post,but all this white hope thing and black top fighters is an American thing.

I stem from Belarus which used to be a part of the former soviet union.
Nobody in the countries of the former soviet union really thinks that a black fighter is superior in one way or another to a fighter from the former soviet union.Quite the opposite black americans and other nations are no match for our boys and cant hold a handle to our youngsters.There is a lot of respect for the Cubans as they have been our fiercest rivals over the last decades.
Black Americans or Africans?? Nah! They dont play in our league.
I even dare to say that most of the so called American legends like Larry Holmes,M.Ali,Foreman,or Frazier are overrated.They were just lucky that there was no pro fighting in the former soviet union.Otherwise fighters from the former soviet union would have dominated the heavier weight divisions.

 

Please tell us the great Soviet fighters that would have been dominating Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Holmes. Because at the olympics they were getting solidly owned by young pre-prime versions of these men

 

WE had some great fighters like Ulyanich or Chernishev and a whole bunch of fighters who didnt make it to the olympics for one or another reason.If all those fighters had turned pro do you really think that those black Americans who dominated the pro business at those times would have hold their own against our classy boys. Besides most of the big tournaments at those time were won by the great oustanding Cuban amateurs like Stevensen.
The American are just overrated and lucky that they had no real competition in the paid ranks during those days.
In today's pro fighting circus most American heavies cant hold a candle to their counterparts from the countries of the former soviet union.

I am positive that you would find the sme picture in the ligher weight divisions if pro boxing were popular in the countries of the former soviet union or if Germany or the USA were signing more fighters of the countries of the former soviet union.Most of the top amateurs there dont turn pro whereas every shitty American fighter turns pro.
Lacy????? He was hailed as the next big american thing despite the fact that he had been schooled and stopped in his last amateur fight by Gaidar Gaidarbekov who -like most top fighters of the former soviet union-has never turned pro.

Even my tiny Belarus kicked the American squad's ass when they squared off against each other last time.They best American amateur fighters got beaten by the fighters of my tiny Belarus.
Bah! Fighters of the former soviet union are simply the best fighters on this planet.