Are modern white and asian champs under rated while black / brown over rated?

Ulyanich and Chernishev would be contenders in the 70s but nothing special, they simply werent that good.

American fighters today arent anything like as good as the 60s-70s counterparts as the sport is declining today, there are simply less kids in boxing gyms.

Apart from Vitali and Wlad former soviet fighters aren't exactly very good. The next top HWs are Haye, Gomez, Povetkin and Valuev. Haye is the best of these 4 by far.

 

Nice thread. I suppose the proof is in the puddin', right? If your assessment of public perception is accurate, you should be money up in your betting endeavours. Being able to spot boxers that are underrated due to racial bias should give you a distinct advantage the results of which (while not conclusive) might indicate the truth or fallacy of your argument. Do you tend to make better money when one of two opponents is black or latino and the other is caucasian or asian?

 

no. Popular fighters are over-rated. End of story.

 

true. the race subject has always been a delicate issue. i think alot of people confuse racial pride with racism. the deal with americans underrating european fighters is more nationalistic than racism. europeans treat their boxing fights like soccer matches which i think is pretty cool. i see a similar trend in basketball and baseball, where it shifted from anglo, to afro-american, to latino and asian. when i meant shift, i don't mean superiority but the majority. blacks learned to play from whites, and now i see alot of vice versa. history has shown time and time again there is no superior human race, just one humankind. accomplishments speak for themselves. there is no need to get ass hurt in all of this if anyone thinks they're fighter has not gotten the respect they deserve they probably still have something left to prove. if a fighter is truly great his legacy, not his color, will be remembered and make him an immortal of the ring

 

Lacy, Miranda, and Peter were only hyped because of their KO power. Punchers tend to get overhyped. Taylor was hyped because of two good wins over BHOP. Taylor is a really good fighter and deserves alot of the credit he gets.

 

Yes. If a country that was inhabited by black fighters finally had an opportunity to compete professionally, and said country(s) produced the Klits, Chaqaev, Povetkin, etc....these fighters would be looked with much more respect.

 

Who was that Soviet that Foreman almost beat to death in the ring at the olympics?

 

I have black and white blood and I can see black and white fighters get hyped up too quick because many of the great champions of the past.
asians and browns?(indians?) remain underrated because of lack of history but fighters like manny pacquio and nonito donaire are quickly changing this:good

 

HUH? Ali won at light heavy. Frazier nearly lost at heavy in the final match to some German guy, and was lucky to fight in the games due to Mathis injuring his thumb. Holmes never fought in the Olympics. Foreman did, but the field was a tad weak that year.

The only USA heavy who dominated in the games was Foreman.

If the old soviet block went pro, I think Ali, Frazier and Foreman would still be great, but might have lost 1 or 2 more in their careers due to a increased talent level.

 

i think it is because there are as many top level white fighters out there as there are black fighters,so you dont need to hype them anymore.
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I think hype has more to do with nationality than race. Americas hype Americans, Brits hype Brits, Mexicans hype Mexicans... etc etc

Top tier fighters get slated regardless of colour. Plenty of people hated on Peter before he got destroyed by Vitali. Taylor has always had detractors since the second he got the first W against Hopkins.

Calzaghe and Pavlik and Wlad don't get critised unfairly, Calzaghe's resume has question marks, Wlad's got ko'd a few times, Pavlik is pretty unproven. That's nothing to do with their race.

Certainly in the eyes of a minority race is very important, but this is not universal