Are people being overly harsh on Canelo since his loss to Bivol?

I'll give them more credit than that, they were shitting on Canelo well before this loss and will continue until someone new takes over.

Everyone he's ever beaten is terrible, they lost to Canelo for Pete's sake!

 

Preach brother. It is all very strange and illogical. A lot of fans carry a lot of butthurt for what Canelo did to GGG. (or what the judges did lol) It's really that simple. They boldly and foolishly talked up GGG for years and talked a big game about what GGG would do to Canelo then when Canelo stepped up and wrecked GGG and his fans dreams, they never and I mean never have been able to cope with that or get over it.

And they now are living vicariously through Bivol desperate to finally see someone beat Canelo after 9 undefeated years of dominance. Canelo's a legend, Bivol is a big obstacle for Canelo but after all Canelo has achieved since the loss to Mayweather I'll never make the mistake of doubting what he can achieve coming off of a loss. This loss could derail his career if he's not careful, or it could propel him to new heights. It's all depends on Canelo and what he is willing to sacrifice to accomplish his dreams. It's very easy to become complacent at this stage in his career for someone who has been in the sport as long as Canelo has been, but if he can stay motivated and find another gear, seal up that leaky gas tank watch out because he's plenty capable of bouncing back and proving his haters wrong.

 

Not at all. For a PED cheater who has gotten corrupt judging on his side throughout his career, to come out and say Bivol only won 4 or 5 rounds when it was clear that Bivol kicked his ass, well, he deserves all the hate he's gotten.

 

I just admit that Canelo would have lost to GGG if he fought him immediately after Cotto. He still lost to older Golovkin
Canelo absolutely could disobey Oscar and go and fight Golovkin but he chose to stick to 'not a middleweight yet', 'was born ready' and so on. As a fan, I have the right to demand for the fights I want to see. The whole sports exists for us.
By the end of the day, he jumped on the Cotto-Martinez-Schturm bandwagon. That's how great Canelo is!

I have to admit that Canelo's career has improved significantly since his split with Oscar. But we should not forget all the damage he did to the sport of boxing (PEDs, catchweights (canelo weight!), excuses and ducking, BS scorecards). Damn still can't believe these weasels almost robbed Floyd lmao

 

Show us your list of wreckages
ChavezSr - Whitaker?
Pac - Bradley 1?
Charlo - Castaño?
Kovalev - Ward 1?

 

I've addressed this point before, but I can never seen to get through to people, so please pay attention. On the one hand you criticize Canelo for catchweights but ignore who the catchweight benefitted against Floyd. Floyd used his A-side to demand that Canelo drain himself, so that's on Floyd. That helped Floyd win so even though the 114-114 was a bad score, the fact that the fight had a catchweight was worse!!! Because without it Canelo would have done better if he wasn't drained and may have deserved a 114-114 if he was at full strengths at 154. So as wrong as the 114-114 was, in a way it was sweet justice for Floyd for draining Canelo. Karma is a b**** and I'm glad she scored it like that to punish Floyd for the catchweight.

Now, Pacquiao did catchweights against Cotto and Margarito, which benefitted Pacquiao. When Canelo fought at catchweights against Cotto and Khan, those were not his demands and it did NOT benefit him. So here you are criticizing Canelo for catchweights which benefitted his opponents while giving Pac a pass for actually being the one who demanded the catchweights which drained his opponents.

So you need to understand that when it comes to catchweights, Pacquiao, Mayweather and Cotto clearly benefitted from them, which helped them win. When Canelo had catchweights, it didn't help him win because those fights were against smaller guys coming up in weight, not bigger guys. So you should be criticizing Pacquiao, Mayweather and Cotto for actually benefitting and demanding catchweights, rather than Canelo who only did them to make fights against smaller guys who insisted on them.

 

You're quite right about Pac, Mayweather and Cotto, but Canelo (although not the worst offender) is not blameless regarding catch-weights:

For an easy example, you can't be proud of the 164.5 catchweight against JCC Jr for a 168 belt. Needless to say, Canelo did not need to drain JCC Jr - he would have slaughtered JCC Jr regardless of the weight. So it's not factually true that "Canelo ... only did them to make fights against smaller guys who insisted on them."

 

That was the one example of draining a bigger fighter at a catchweight, but of course Chavez Jr who was a much bigger guy, appeard to have no problem whatsoever making weight and was complimented at how good and healthy he looked at the weigh-in. Canelo had to move up 10+ lbs to meet JCC Jr there is not anywhere near as bad as what Mayweather, Pac or Cotto did with catchweights. Also that fight with JCC Jr was not a title fight, the catchweights where Mayweather, Pac or Cotto drained people were title fights, making them much worse.

 

I definitely understand what you're getting at. Personally, I just think his gifted draw and win over GGG were so absurdly unfair that any sane person could conclude that the judges were either massively biased or possibly paid off. And we just witnessed something suspiciously similar in the bivol fight as well, with all three judges giving all of the first four rounds to canelo, and all three judges being one round away from declaring the fight a draw. So, yes, i'm glad he lost, and yes, he deserves to be knocked down a peg precisely because he's been given unfairly generous treatment.

 

There are several guys who melt down and stay out in a certain division. Canelo has now jumped twice into the FIRE at 175.

I respect Big Red for taking a bold challenge regardless that he did this just because he believed his own hype and that he was the better fighter. He still is the one that took the biggest risk and paid for it.

Canelo was flustered and that was a rare thing to witness but he kept trying to win rounds.

No shame in losing and now maybe he can stop daydreaming about USYK and AJ

 

Canelo, out of every champion in boxing, is the one who consistently takes on the most difficult fights. I never thought he'd fight Bivol, and he did, so hats off to him for that.

However, part of the reason he is so willing to challenge himself is because he knows that if he can keep it close he will be bailed out on the cards, which we've seen happen over and over. So I can't give him as much respect as I would someone who didn't rely as much on bs cards. I thought he lost twice to GGG, which seemed to be the consensus at the time, now it's "the first was close and the second was a clear Canelo win".

 

Good unbiased overview. I admire their objectivity.

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Couldnt even hurt the 40yo, one handed, fading GGG. I mean, didnt make him flinch!!

GGG was obviously not right. Couldnt throw right hands, had nothing but jabs and check hooks! Right arm pinned to his side to stop getting hit in the ribs and liver. Yet Canelo threw no left rips... whats up with that?