Are punchers BORN or MADE?

Do we think an averagely intelligent man can be educated to become a genius?

Great, elite-level punchers are the consequence of a perfect storm of genes (fast twitch muscles and great hand/eye co-ordination for timing), technique, great teaching, a tremendous work ethic and desire to learn, and a strong nerve - you need that to plant feet in the heat of battle. Any one of these factors missing or diminished and I don't think you have the ingredients needed to be that rare breed: the one punch, lights-out banger.

It's just like any other walk of life: punching power is the consequence of nature and nurture. And there's a sliding scale which I shall call the Jackson-Malignaggi Scale. Where a boxer lands on this scale depends on how he scores in all the categories above. But to hit the heights you have to have the right DNA. Nature sets the upper limit; nurture determines how close a boxer gets to his personal power ceiling...

 

I think its both and some also grow into it

 

Well, if you have a group of people doing it, the harder punchers score higher. It's not rocket science.

 

I'm stealing this and passing it off as my own.

 

Like I said, just because you score higher doesn't mean your punch will hurt more. There are other factors that go into how much damage a punch does, but I wouldn't expect you to know that lol.

 

But change it to the Manny-Malignaggi Scale, right? lol

 

You're talking about unskilled men punching a ball that registers a read out based on the force of the impact. There's no advanced algorithm that factors everything into play. A guy that scores 800+ is a harder puncher than a guy who scores 600.

 

My point is punching hard on a punch machine doesn't equate to punching harder on a human being in terms of damage. It's not rocket science.. oh wait it might be for people who have absolutely no experience in receiving or landing a punch.

A guy that scores 800+ is better at scoring higher on a punch machine than the guy who scores 600, don't conflate punch machine power with knockout power.

 

If someone scores 800 and another person scores 600... Who would you rather take a free shot to the face from?

 

70/30 in favor of born.

 

Like I said, don't conflate punch power with knockout power. Obviously, a punch that hits 999 is going to hurt more than a punch that scores 100. But as of 800 vs 600, I have no idea as the gap is much smaller. It just means that they're better at punching the machine. Maybe they had momentum from taking a running start etc. A perfect example is Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney. Both punched a punch machine recently and Haney beat Ryan both times. There's no way in hell Haney has more KO power than Ryan Garcia.

 

Here. Read this, might give you some more insight on punching machines. No one that knows anything about punching power will use a punch machine as a credible way to measure.

"It appears that the target hangs freely on its hinged arm and that the sensor is actually located on the surface of the larger supporting arm, measuring the total impulse (I assume) by way of material deflection as the target impacts it and locks into place. This is troublesome for accuracy.

As the target swings upward, the surface becomes increasingly inclined with respect to a linear strike's direction of motion; at some point, the strike is just sliding past and a substantial amount of energy is lost to back-absorption as you reach maximum extension and have to tense to protect yourself. As a consequence, it seems slightly upward arcing slaps register disproportionately high on this type of machine's scale.

Furthermore, any time the target isn't perfectly perpendicular to your strike, a component of the applied force vector is being shunted through the hinged arm rather than accelerating the target.

Basically, it's not at all a very accurate method of measuring the total kinetic energy of strikes, nor of how concentrated the force is.

It might be a reasonable method of measuring how well one can "snap" their strikes, accelerating near and through the point of impact rather than just building up momentum over a long path (vis-à-vis shorter wavelength of induced pressure waves and increasing inelastic dissipation, a.k.a. damaging soft tissues); however, an accelerometer would function better in this regard.

The machines probably weren't intentionally designed with these shortcomings: they're likely the result of reliability, complexity, cost, and "nobody cares" issues with more accurate designs."

 

Inoue-Malignaggi.

 

I vote born. Good trainers bring it to forefront. Same for any athletic ability you born with it but to make it shine requires training

 

Total natural ability. Timing and balance have everything to do with it, and those cannot be taught.