Are punches that land of gloves scoring points?

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Are punches that land of gloves scoring points?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. REKX_

    REKX_ New Member banned Full Member

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    Can we clarify if punches which land on gloves are scoring or not? Can someone clarify?

    I thought that a punch which landed on gloves was seen as good defence?

    Why can't the judges just be clear on this?

    If so then that just means punch output rules overall. The skill of defending, evading and countering just becomes almost meaningless, people can go out there and punch 50 times a round, landed or not, and win fights.
     
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  2. chaunceygardina

    chaunceygardina Member Full Member

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    Don't think do, but they can be effective damage makers
     
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  3. REKX_

    REKX_ New Member banned Full Member

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    Yes, but yesterday it seems like Beterbiev's punches which landed on gloves were scoring over Bivol's defence and counters (other than the clean lands from both).
     
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  4. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, they are not:
    "ARMS: Most often the arms are considered to be defensive mechanisms. Punches landed directly to the arms should not be considered scoring punches unless they are high up on the arms. To be considered scoring punches, they should be near the shoulders, or on the front of the shoulders"
     
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  5. SergioJ91

    SergioJ91 Active Member Full Member

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    Hell no...Those points should be awarded to the defender who's doing a good job...
     
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  6. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, punches that land on the gloves should not be considered 'scoring' punches.

    Something that needs to remembered though, is that the judges are all sitting in different seats with different angles of view of what is taking place in the ring. One judge may have a clear view of a punch landing on the gloves. Another judge may not be able to be sure where it landed and may think it landed clean on the opponent.
     
  7. REKX_

    REKX_ New Member banned Full Member

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    I'm not doubting shots on gloves are not effective, they help break down an opponent but they should not be scored.

    Judges should be clear on what they awarded points on.

    It appears as though the judges, or one judge in particular, awarded points for shots landing on gloves in the beterbiev bivol fight.
     
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  8. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The 10 point must system does not have "scoring punches"
    The criteria in order is:
    Clean effective punches
    Effective aggregation
    Ring Generalship
    Defense

    So, throwing punches is higher on the pecking order than blocking them. A hypothetical round where one guy is the aggressor and the other guy does nothing but shell up, the guy shelling up loses that round.

    Now, I scored yesterday's fight for Bivol on the account that Bivol was landing more CLEAN punches.
    Some people felt that Beterbiev being the aggressor was so much more effective than Bivol's clean punches, that they gave rounds to Beterbiev.

    It's not an exact science, so people will sometimes disagree about how to score rounds.
     
  9. captain hook

    captain hook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    if the punch landed on a glove and moved the guy half a meter, I would score it. It's not the same evading punch when it doesn't touch you, and getting hit hard on a glove - you can feel the power and it can hurt like a clean punch.
     
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  10. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A 'clean effective punch' is not one that lands on the gloves.
     
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  11. REKX_

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    Interesting post.

    Yes, if Bivol just blocking punches then yes he loses clearly, but what I saw was Bivol blocking punches, moving well and countering nicely (not the whole fight but a lot of it).

    Shouldn't the judges be required to say on what criteria they awarded the rounds? The rounds which they are not sure or swing rounds, shouldn't they get a few more minutes to rewatch key moments after a fight before giving the result?

    It's a bit unfair if a fighter does a lot of work in the first minute, but the other fighter does the same amount of work in the last minute - the later fighter nearly always gets the round as he's seen to have turned the round around and finish stronger - when theoretically it was equa?
     
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  12. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    If it lands on the gloves then that's a blocked punch.
     
  13. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Judges dont have replay and slow-mo and if you watched the fight the announcers were calling lots of shots for Beterbiev...only to find out between rounds Beter's punches did not land (cleanly).
     
  14. SquareUp

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    Many times with power punchers, believe it or not the punches that look like they just land on the gloves actually do sneak through. If you're holding a super tight high guard and your opponent smashes through the middle with a 1-2, or around the gloves behind the ear, especially when they have a lot of power behind them those shots certainly do some damage and wear you down. If one guy is just shelling up and not firing back, and the other guy is ripping shots all over with no answer, I would absolutely score those rounds for the more active boxer, even if he's not landing the eye catching shots that everyone is looking for.
     
  15. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This happens to some extent in every fight. Like us and the commentators, judges are only human and they are also either advantaged or disadvantaged by the angle they are to the fighters when a particular punch is thrown.
     
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