Are punches that land of gloves scoring points?

I'll just quote the great Boxing historian Monte D Cox on this topic from the article "How to Score a Fight"

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right next to bivols gloves when hes covering up, is his head. thats the scoring spot. thats the spot that will do most damage. thats the spot that a good fighter targets. thats the spot that a good fighter is able to get to. gloves, is what a not so good fighter settles for.

 

No, it is not a scoring punch. It may be effective as an "investment" to soften the opponent but sooner or later you have to land clean shots. You may land 1000 punches on the gloves but if your opponent is still standing in the end and he landed clean shots in return - you lost the fight. This is boxing - not the game of tag.

 

I know where you’re coming from, however, if one guys aggression “makes” the fight BUT, at the same time, he’s getting countered to death for his trouble, he’ll receive no credit for having “made”’the fight.

I believe the ref’s are empowered to pull up and warn fighters for undue passivity.

Certainly, my man Ingo was ultimately DQ’d in the 1952 Olympics (vs Ed Sanders) for that very infraction - being too passive.

Yes, just at the amateur level but a fair case in point.

Another interesting observation re the days of yore - during the FOTC the announcer noted that Ali’s holding and breaking of the action would hurt him in the scoring.

How the hell is a judge supposed to quantify and factor that in? Lol.

It’s the ref who is empowered to give a warning for excessive holding - as he perceives it.

The ref can also ultimately deduct a point for excessive holding if necessary - the only way the holding can impact on the scoring.

If we interpret excessive holding and it not being properly factored into the scoring, we can only blame the ref for that if he has failed to duly act upon it.

Ref Tony Perez allowed Ali to get away with blue murder with his insane holding in the Frazier rematch - it unfairly stifled Joe but not a single point was deducted from Ali’s score for it.

 

Hey Pug, I have nothing to say about Ref Perez and Ali. Aside from that don't you think fighters should be given a chance to work in the clinch?

 

Sure. Clinches aren’t illegal but excessive clinching (as interpreted) can be called out.

However, asking from one person to another what they view as excessive clinching might be like asking “How long is a piece of string?”.

The answer to same (in absolute absolute terms) is somewhat indefinite - invoking highly subjective judgments.

 

I say know but if you ask the judges in canelo vs lara or beterbiev vs bivol, yes

 

The answer is yes, and no. In a round where neither person is landing of substance, but one person’s landing on gloves and the other is hitting air, the guy landing gloves is going to win the round.

 

In itself, no.

But you have to look what the other guy is doing for the round as well, if he's constantly on the back foot, in survival mode and just looking to tie up....then it's the aggression and pressure that led to those punches being blocked that'll win the round. Also not every thrown punch is going to be blocked, 4 or 5 might get through from every 50 shots thrown.

 

Clean, effective punching is part of the criteria last I checked

 

Well, depends on what type of shot it is imo.

A normal jab wouldnt. Maybe a hard stiff jab that would make the other guys gloves hit himself.. a power punch much more so.

When it doesnt bounce of the face of the defender then it wont score.

Overall activity on that round would probably affect it too. Much more likely to be scored if there arent so much action.

Wish we had a proper scoring system though.

 

Depends on who is judging.