Are some boxers/promoters scaried of RISK these days?

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  1. splasher25

    splasher25 Active Member Full Member

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    Seeing some of these posts about Williams got me thinking.
    (No offence to the quoted posters, just got me thinking :D)

    Did Tommy Hearns ever get ducked because of his size? :think
    At 6'1"ft with awesome knockout power and a welterweight at the start of his career.
    Imagine if Sugar Ray Leonard had said "I'm not fighting Hearns, he should be a middleweight."
    We would of missed one of boxings greastest fights and the golden era of welter/middleweights in the 80's may not of happend.

    I'm not a Williams' nuthugger, only seen one of his fights.
    But he is having trouble getting fights against quality opposition due to his size.

    The welterweight division does not want to fight him with either top boxers or promoters saying there not intrested.
    So he's gone north to fight at light middle and middle.
    But he shouldn't of been forced to fight at a higher weight due to top fighters avoiding him.
    He should of had a chance to fight the best at his original weightclass.

    Before Williams' fans start saying "yeah, no one wants to fight him because he'll destroy them all"
    Or Williams haters saying "Ur just a nuthugger, Williams is just picking on smaller fighters"
    I'm just using Williams as an example.

    Which gets back to my main point.
    Why are some fighters/promoters scaried of risk? :huh

    Surely taking the risks is what makes fighters great? :think :good
     
  2. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think Williams is being avoided tbh, he's a good fighter, but not a GREAT one. I agree that fighters/ promoters are afraid of taking risks because it's all about the money these days.
     
  3. splasher25

    splasher25 Active Member Full Member

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    I'm not saying Williams is a good/great fighter, but he should be given a chance to fight the best at welterweight.

    Money has always been involved in boxing, so can't really say it's more about money these days.

    Just what i think. :D
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    Some boxers, or their promoters & managers, have always been reluctant to take big risks with low financial reward.

    It's not some modern day phenomenon.
     
  5. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's always been about money, but look at the fights back in the day. Hagler, leonard, hearns. They were all the top people to beat, but instead of looking for a payday they wanted to see who really was the best.
     
  6. Thread Stealer

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    It was about money too for them, let's not re-write history.

    I mean, Hagler was getting interviewed after one of his fights, with Leonard standing right there, and Hagler's going "Ray, you saw you're a friend of mine, well be a good friend and fight me and give me that payday".

    Hagler didn't hide his desire for big money fights.

    I liked Leonard's quote, when asked on when the pain from a fight goes away.

    "When the check clears"
     
  7. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I honestly don't even think Williams can still make it to 147lbs safely. He's been fighting above that weight since the Quintana rematch. If he tries to lose that weight again - he make be worst off than he was in the first Quintana match. It's not even healthy for him to take his body up and down like that.

    154lbs. and above is where he should stay.
     
  8. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Shaw is scared of Donaire.
     
  9. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Yes, especially in the UK.
     
  10. maracho

    maracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great business men and great fighters take great risks.

    It seems many great match-ups are never seen because promoters and fighters are not the hungry risk takers that they once were. Sure its about money but promoters (also includes HBO/SHO) and fighters are ultimately responsible for extracting that money from potential audiences.
     
  11. FlatNose

    FlatNose Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As far as I can tell, promoters have always been careful to some degree, weighing the risk/reward ratio. For example, Tex Rickard put the kabosh on a Jack Dempsey-Harry Wills fight , not only because of the risk that Wills posed, but because the public was still reeling from Jack Johsons reign as Heavyweight champ. But for the most part, the two top fighters of every division would eventually meet.
    Fighters promoting themselves is a relativly new phenonenom. As it turns out, the ones that have, tend to pick opponents rather carefully, certainly not taking too many fights out of their comfort zones.
    As a previous poster noted, back in the 70's we were treated to a wonderful round robin of sorts with Duran, Leonard, Hearns and Hagler all fighting one another and producing some historical fights. Today, guys like Morales, Berrara, Marquez and Paq aside, there seems to be more posturing than fighting among the elite than there was in times past.
     
  12. pudding

    pudding Active Member Full Member

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    Show me the money. Williams ain't got it so he don't get the fights.
     
  13. AGM

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    With one notable 'hayemaker' throwing exception :thumbsup
     
  14. newrp01

    newrp01 Active Member Full Member

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    Wasn't David Haye suffering from bad wristrs/other injuries and is looking to cash out with the Klit brothers?
    (this is totally unconfirmed) maybe somebody can expand.
     
  15. maracho

    maracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have not heard of injuries but he has said plenty of times that he wants to make millions with Klitchko and get out of boxing