Are some people seriously rating Floyd Mayweather as the best WW ever?

what for real......Philla doesnt agree....shocker...

 

His resume at Welter is ****ing ****, no chance he is anywhere near the top 50 IMO

 

When I rate his welterweight all time status, I don't really look at what he did at the weight, but just who's a wetlerweight and who I think had the best career, but if we looking at it the way you are then, I guess you have to rate Floyd a 130

 

Why not put down why you disagree? All Floyd did at 135 was beat a champ, defend it against a couple of mandatories. That's not out of the ordinary. At 140, all he did was beat a titlist. Again, nothing out of the ordinary.

 

This. But I don't blame him for fighting Baldomir and Shane Mosley though. A ***** could counter everything you just said though

 

They may be serious, but the truth outweighs their emotional plea.

He isn't worthy of shining the top 10 WW's gloves.

 

good lord man it was just me messin around wit Philla people are so tense round here got damn

 

Exactly my sentiments.
He's on his best shape at those weights, but clearly have not fought the best opposition to even be considered an ATG on those divisions.
Perhaps that's what happens when you jump around too much in weight anyway.

See this is the problem when you have the skills to be an ATG yet you chicken out on everybody, for one reason or another.

One day people will seriously question the integrity of Floyd's "0".
No disrespect to his skills tho, clearly he's an elite in that department, and yes I dare say much more skilled than any of the living fighters of today, Pac included.
But it ends there -- he just had the skills and maintained a questionable "0".

Sad when you think about it, really.

And at WW. Oh c'mon.

 

When being sarcastis or joking, learn to use emoticons or something. Otherwise regualar text doesn't show emotion whenther it's sarcasm or humor. Like this => See?

:smoke

 

.....my bad...learnin though

 

Keeping a fight pretty damn close while fighting with a torn rotator cuff is pretty impressive as far as his LW time goes. I was counting JrWW under the WW umbrella for the purposes of my post, I don't think beating Gatti at that stage of his career is THAT much of an accomplishment despite how he did it. Happy?

 

Amen!

 

Here's the counter.

But, to establish context, let me state that based on his resume, there's no way in good conscience that I can rate PBF in my Top 20-25 welterweights...Yet.

Mitchell...Basically, this fight was made as a tune-up for then champion Judah, against a solid former 140lb titleholder who was on the tail end of his career, but had earned a rating at 147lbs in his previous fight. It's neither a black mark against Floyd, nor should it be considered an outstanding accomplishment.

Judah...Well, the fight had already been made even before Judah crapped out and lost to Baldomir. But, at the very least, Judah was still a quick-fisted, hard punching former champion who was still highly rated at WW. And he did give Floyd fits...early in the fight. He also gave Cotto fits early when he fought him. Judah's talented enough to do that to pretty much everybody he fights. Either way, not a bad result, especially given the way Floyd ground him down in the second part of the fight.

Baldomir...He was, as stated, the lineal champion. And, while not amazing, he was on the best run of his career, and coming off good victories over Judah and Gatti. And, just as an aside, he's, imo, better than the likes of Cochrane, Vaca, and Backus (all of whom I would rate as among the weakest champions at WW)

Hatton...He was the undefeated jr. welterweight champion, plus he had won a ww title with an admittedly close decision over a pretty solid Collazo (who gave Berto an extremely hard night as well, let's not forget). Maybe the risk-reward factor was more attractive with Hatton than it was against others, but Hatton was still lingering in the lower end of the p4p ratings at this point, and was still considered to be able to provide PBF with a stern test based on his pressuring style.

JMM...Jeez. Mayweather comes back after a year and a half layoff and beats the reigning lightweight champion, who happens to be among the top 3 fighters in the world, and who proved he still had something left in his two subsequent fights. And he not only beats him, he shuts him out. Yeah, Marquez was smaller...But other lightweights have division hopped in the past and enjoyed success against WW's. This didn't happen against Mayweather, and regardless of the size difference that speaks well of his abilty.

Mosely...Well, he'd looked good against Margarito, and this was a fight that people had been clamoring to see for a while. SSM was on the downside, but it's still a legit result.

As stated before, this doesn't get Mayweather into the Top 20 or 30...Yet. But it does serve as a decent foundation to build upon if he manages to defeat fighters like Berto and Pac. If he gets a couple more wins of that sort under his belt, then he's in the discussion. If he's not, then he'll be remembered as a fighter who may not have faced everyone there was at 147lbs, but did manage do score some victories over pretty some decent opponents...And who won a championship in the process.

And that's not necessarily a bad way to be remembered, regardless of where you place him.

 

You also wrote "if not slightly below" Cotto, insinuating that Cotto may rank higher at WW than Mayweather does.

Mayweather certainly isn't an ATG at WW but has a chance to be if he fights a few more times there and is as dominant as he has been thus far.

Cotto is 7-2 at WW and the 7 include a very close win over Mosley and a gift SD win over Clottey. He was also completely destroyed by Margo and Pacquiao at WW.

You must really like Cotto's wins over Urkal, Quintana and Jennings.