Are Super 6 fighters overated?

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  1. MJK

    MJK Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hi everyone, I think it is a legitimate question. I'm not saying that it should not have taken place, that's it's not fun to watch, I'm just asking are the fighters overated?

    The reason I ask this is from some time now:
    1- each talk about Lucian Bute and how good he is go around "he cannot be the best since he is not fighting the best". Wich is true since for the time being he cannot fight them.
    2- "all the best supermiddle weight are facing each other, so they must be the best out there". For sure I like that top contender facing each other, but at the same time, after the fight between Froch and Kessler, I'm sure Bute will beat them easily (only opinion, but they didnt look that sharp to me), and we can talk about all the other fights that took place, each of them have their question marks (Froch-Dirrel, Abraham-Dirrel, Ward's only win so far), etc.
    3- One of the thread in the forum about Pavlik not fighting at 160lbs anymore. In this thread a lot of people are saying stuff like: "all the supersix would beat him and such".

    So... are we being manipulated by some marketing hype from Showbox or something and are we helping the hype to grow and in doing so over estimate the super six fighters?

    For those who read all they way, thanks and my thread is by no means a way to bash on fighters, I have the upmost respect for all fighters in super6 and the idea of a tournament. I realy want to have an answer to that question.

    Thanks for your construtive and insightfull reply
     
  2. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lucian Bute is the one being overrated, he's going life and death with Kesslers left overs and stops walking punching bags in Miranda.
     
  3. MJK

    MJK Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In another thread a couple of months ago, even if I'm a Bute fan, I already state that Bute was overated after the KO vs Andrade. I think a lot of his fans (myself included) are probably overating him as fans do with their fighters. But at the same time, I'm sure you agree that he has talent and that he is one of the top of supermiddle right now.

    But the question I was asking was: are the super6 fighters overated. So I would like to know your opinion.
     
  4. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Yes the guys in the tourney get over rated because they are all fighting each other. There are no elite fighters in the super six. Just a group of good fighters who match up well on paper.

    Taylor lost 2 fights to Pavlik. Froch's best win was a post Pavlik JT. Ward's best win was a damaged Miranda. Abraham's best wins are still Miranda and JT's corpse. Green lost to Miranda. Dirrell's best wins were Hanshaw and Oganov. Zuniga beat the breaks off Oganov long before Dirrell got to him. And so on and so forth.

    All thes guys except Kessler made their bones fighting KP's left overs, or guys who aren't as good as Pav's left overs.
     
  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No but you suck.
     
  6. MJK

    MJK Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks for your reply booradley, I didnt want to downrated these fighters, in fact I just think that we fans are either overating fighters (in various way) or hating them.

    By the way thanks Bodhi to bump my thread up :p
     
  7. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    The tourney will provide some more interesting fights, and a bit of a sorting out process. However, I would take Bute over any of those guys, and if Pavlik can return to form at the higher weight, I would pick him over all but Bute, and maybe Ward.
     
  8. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And for you all roads lead back to Pavlik. You are fast becoming a joke in the range of Farmboxer. Pavliks best win is JT, and Miranda same as AA. Dirrell beat Oganov with mid teens as the number of fights, Zuniga had mid 20's. Dirrell would kick the **** out of Zuniga who JUST happened to have lost to Pavlik which is your way of saying that Pavlik is better then those fighter. Pavlik would get distoryed in the super-six. He had trouble dealing with a small Martinez how the **** would he deal with bigger faster versions that hit harder. AA, Ward, Dirrell and Kessler would all beat pavlik to death, get over it and move on.
     
  9. David UK

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    Couldn't agree more. Showtime didn't even think he was a serious proposition. Bute's good at what he does, but he's a level below Super Six standard.

    Apart from Alan Green, every one of the Super Six fighters has at least one better win on their record than Bute has
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wouldnt say the fighters of the Super 6 are overated but very few are as good as they are hyped to be.
    The super 6 does a great job of advertising its fighters and fights and giving us an insight into their lives, creating a public interest. When fighters are known to the public and are in the public eye, every win and loss they have becomes a significant victory ie If Ward beats Green it would be considered a good win, but if say Bute beat Steiglitz it would be Bute beat a paper champ Euro bum fighter, but if you compare Green and Steiglitz, Green hasnt beaten anyone of note and lost to Miranda and Steiglitz has beaten Berrio, undefeated Gutknecht & undefeated Balzsay, giving Steiglitz possibly a better resume than Green, its just Steiglitz isnt as well known as Green so dosent draw as much attention.
    If you break the fighters resumes down certain ones dont look as impressive ie

    Who of note has Abraham beaten other than Taylor who was coming off a KO loss

    Dirrell only really has AA as note (see above) when it comes to significant victories and won by DQ while out cold

    Green hasnt really beaten anyone of much note and lost to Miranda

    Ward has done well in beating Kessler (someone who is proven world class), but as fights go in the Super 6 is that if Ward were to win he'll have not faced a single undefeated fighter in the competition, only fighters who have already been exposed and beaten

    Froch - willing to face all comers and has a good resume with wins over undefeated Pascal, undefeated but untested Dirrell & Taylor, but as anyone knows Froch has some big limitations and has now been beaten by Kessler who was already beaten in the competition

    The competition is a good idea that creates interest, but the fighters will need more than the super 6 to cement their legacys. Good luck to them and who knows what they will do after
     
  11. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    The poster asked a question. I answered it. The sauerland six is just a refuge for fighters who can't deal with Bute and/or Pavlik. Live with it.
     
  12. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    nice post:deal
     
  13. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    Cant deal with him??? HA!!!!!!!! Ward, Dirrell and Kessler would embarrass him. AA and Froch could spark him also. But hey look on the bright side he def KO Allen Green.:rofl
     
  14. robpalmer135

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    maybe Dirrell. He is some people p4p lists. I just think Abraham was made for him
     
  15. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Not at all. Styles, gameplans, and the will to win determine the outcomes of fights that's why there have been acouple of surprise upsets. Maybe if Bute or Pavlik were in the Super 6 that would help answer the question for you as to who is over/underrated, but I don't think anyone is. If not for the Super 6, the question who be even more in limbo many of these fights probably never would of had happened. Then there would of been claims "Oh, Froch would of beaten Kessler" or "Abraham would of beaten Dirrell", but that's not what happened, was it? No need to even mention Pavlik in this, his best chances of beating anyone might be a standup-type fighter like Froch or Kessler, but he would get hell from Ward or Dirrell. Bute has alot to prove and is wasting time fighting the spoils of the Super6.