Are the Guys with the Bodybuilding bodies?

I disagree. Weight lifting done correctly will help in many facets of boxing and other combat sports. From endurance, to strength, and even coordination in some ways. A friend of mine is a top level amateur, soon to turn pro and he swears that bent over rows have increased his punching power over the years. Not lifting weights in todays current game would be foolish. I'm not saying over do it; but done correctly with high rep schemes it will greatly help alot of fighters.

 

Yes it does. Someone sent me a PM a while back regarding weights. And yes, I have a clue of what Im talking about. Maybe you dont.

 

If weight lifting aids ones coordination, said person must be one clumsy mother****er.

 

Dude, you have to stop being so damn short-sighted.
I'm growing tired of your biased anti-weightlifting posts.
It clearly shines through that you're simply doing it to justify that you yourself just can't get yourself to do it. Be it laziness or that you simply don't like doing it or whatever, I dunno.. That's your problem.
Fact is, weightlifting is an extremely effective way to increase power, speed and coordination if you do it correctly.
When I say that though, I'm not talking about doing 10-rep bicep curls in front of the mirror, because that does little in increasing functional (myofibrillar) hypertrophy and strength gains.
I'm talking about doing olympic style lifts, such as the clean&jerk and snatch as well as improving your 1RM strength in the big three (squat, deadlift, benchpress). That being said, I much prefer push-pressing overhead instead of the bench press though, because it's a way more functional exercise.
"High-effect" explosive movements like this improve your neural firing speed as well as your ability to recruit a larger amount of muscle fibres, as well as it will increase the size and strength of those fibres. That accounts for more efficient movements, which will increase your power output, therby increase your speed and also your work economy.
Increased work economy in that sense will also benefit your endurance, hence is why the best long distance runners even have a solid weightened resistance training-routine in their program.
Of course, if you substitute your endurance training for weights, your endurance will drop because your shift in focus would hamper your true needs, but nobody is saying that anyone should do that.

Back to topic, do you think the Olympic weightlifters you see in Beijing now are uncoordinated? They, along with gymnasts are the most highly-coordinated athletes in the world. Olympic weightlifters are fast and agile, the vertical jumps and other physical testing are insane.

I can vouch for it myself. I used to be fast, I've always been fast. But the moment I joined a proper weightlifting gym, learned to do the lifts properly and progressed, I'm as other people say: "plain sick, spooky fast."
You're missing out, whether you wanna admit it or not.
It's not some fad, it's not something that's recently been spun up by the gym industry.
Olympic weightlifting has always been there, when humans first started lifting. That was how it was done, that's the most natural and efficient way for us to lift and gain total body strength, from the ground to overhead.

 

Thats absolute bull****. You claim to train in MMA but you know squat about sports fitness. Such biased and subjective methods was the reasoning of the early 1900`s.:roll:

 

Because it slows you down! Didnt you know :roll:

 

Wow with advise like this your sure not to go wrong in the "Training Forum". More hogwash. Geez this forum never ceases to amaze me.:blood

 

Spooky Fast? Ooo your just an animal!!!!:yep I tell you one Olympic lifter who had no coordination for free! The one that dislocated his elbow this year at Beijing! That had to hurt!D

 

Power, yes I understand that. Speed, depends on how you do it and your current state. But coordination? From lifting weights? The movements are extremely simple, if that aids your coordination you were ****ing clumsy to begin with.

You're dead wrong on my "anti weights" stance, I'm not even against them. What I oppose is the ridiculous focus people have on strength. I don't oppose lifting weights, I oppose doing it 4 times a week. What I oppose is reading about almost nothing but weights on this forum. The phrase "when done correctly" can be found in almost every thread. I even lift weights myself, but not that often, and not in a gym.

My weights regime is loading and unloading trucks with these mother****ers:

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I could not care less about you getting tired of it btw. I will continue to give my opinion on the downright ridiculous focus people place on strength. Half of the people over here don't even box.

 

Just to clear things up, I'm not in the same camp as SweetScience and papke.

 

Problem is everyones a ****ing expert on these boards or trains in MMA bla bla bla. I assure you theres only 1% of guys on this board that can throw down and keep it real. The rest just simply blow there assholes because they have one.

 

You fooking are ya muppet. How many times have i ran in with you. You`ve become more liberal over the years but you cant help the usual dig as you try to set things straight with your Calisthenics bull****.

 

Calisthenics are nothing more than warming up exercises for me, so I don't really understand what you're getting at.

Again, I am not in their camp, I do not agree with them. My stance is that weights can benefit you, but you should not place to much importance on them. Just like running. Sure running is good, but running 15 miles every day makes you a runner instead of a boxer. Same goes for swimming, cycling, doing sprints, lifting weights, etc. Boxing is a very diverse sport. It needs all aspects of physical fitness, but some people seem to think strength is all they need.

You are right about me taking a dig at weights every now and then. I can't resist, the amount of times they're being brought up is ridiculous.

 

Everything in moderation. Like i said theres too many "Experts" on these boards. So you have to take it with a huge pile of salt.

 

Power and speed are closely related, I've been through that before.
If you are gonna say that the snatch and clean&jerk are just simple movements and that they therefore wouldn't aid much in coordination, I'll just have to say to you that you know very little about how the body works in terms of coordination and that you clearly never tried to snatch heavy weights straight overhead. You are basically involving your whole body in a second-long all out effort to pull something heavy up, dive under it, stabilize it and stand up with it. You don't think that requires excellent coordination?
Do some reading on the subject and try snatching for yourself, or I have nothing else to say to you.

Granted, I can see how you could be frustrated. But how do you know that limit strength is the main focus on for everyone that post here?
Maybe it's just what most are uncertain of and therefore feel the need to ask questions about it?
If you don't like the threads, don't post in them.
Why do you oppose to lifting 4x a week? I understand, if anyone is lifting more than they are boxing, they clearly have the wrong focus if they call themselves boxers. But that doesn't mean that 4x a week is too much lifting, rather than 3x a week with boxing would be unsufficient in that sense.
Everything has it's place, in some phases of your training you will focus more on one than the other (like most athletes do more lifting in the off-season), I think most boxers in general would be better off with more knowledge of periodization, but that's another topic.
Everybody I know basically do the same stuff year round and expect better results, but that is rarely, if ever the case.