Are the past Eras overrated or the new generation just not that good?

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  1. JordanK2406

    JordanK2406 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whenever I see P4P fantasy fights always seems like the old timers would annihilate everyone currently so wanted peoples opinions
     
  2. 007 373 5963

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    Are you asking about the pool of talent of a particular era, or are you asking about the number of entertaining fights within a particular era?

    Regarding the pool of talent: every weight class ebbs and flows with talent over the years. But you should also take into consideration, given enough time, exercise science and the evolution of boxing make modern day fighters superior over fighters of bygone eras. So over the long run, boxers have gotten more talented.

    Regarding the number of entertaining fights: the trend of fighters being too selective in order to maximize the number of big paydays while minimizing the number of risks has only gotten stronger. Also, greater safety restrictions in the sport prevent boxers from fighting as frequently as fighters from several decades ago. So yes, you can make an argument that previous eras had a greater number of entertaining fights, simply because boxers fought more regularly. Perhaps this gives the perception that fighters back then were better because they fought so much more often and they didn't cherry pick their opponents as often? You could argue that they were "better" in the sense that they were more active and didn't back down from tough fights which made those eras "better" because they were more entertaining, but that doesn't imply "better" as in the boxers were more talented.
     
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  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    With the exception of Usyk, Lomachenko, Inoue, Crawford, Bivol, Beterbiev, Tank, GGG, Haney, Calelo and few others, this is a very weak era.

    Hopefully boxing will pick up, but as long as screw jobs, rematches, fights that never get made, and multiple company champions reign, I think it just continues to decline.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What it is is, "the past" is a big place. Of course "the past" has better fighters than the present - they got Lewis at heavy AND Roy Jones at 168, AND Olivares at bantam. Right now we got just one snapshot in time - so it's never a fair comparison, really.

    More often that not, even if you (wrongly heh heh) think boxing is getting better and better with time, "the past" will have better fighters than now.
     
  5. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    There’s talent in every era. Fighters back then just used to take more risk
     
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    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    There's no actual way to know definitively, no matter what anybody tells you.

    Athletes do get better due to technology and a larger talent pool however. Nowadays athletes often have tests done by doctors to decide what their exact diet for their exact body should be. They also have access to the internet, meaning they're not limited by whatever tapes and training their gym has. They can build off of every great fighter from the past, and learn about new training systems from all over the globe. Before the late USSR invested heavily in studying what made athletes great, most boxers (and sprinters) didn't lift weights because they thought you would lose flexibility and become worse at your sport. USSR proved this wrong in detailed studies, so now athletes lift weights.

    On the other hand, as McGrain put it, the past is a super long time compared to the present. Even though the talent pool is at its largest and best trained now (being global instead of USA/UK/Japan/Mexico/South America and the globe having more people as well), there were 135 years of boxing before the modern era. There were more fighters from before now (2015 and after) than now, meaning more overall genetic talent.
     
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  7. Your Mum

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    I think fighters in the current era get written off too easily against greats of previous eras.
     
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  8. The Professor

    The Professor Socialist Ring Leader Staff Member

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    A bit of both, actually.
     
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  9. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To many belts now back then the competition was way more Competitive and you seen the Big fights more regularly...Corruption was around then but nothing like now...Thats why this Era is suffering.!!!!
     
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  10. FrankinDallas

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    Right now we have some of the best group of boxers in any era. Yes, I just typed what your read.
    People forget that A LOT of boxers in the years between 1900 and 1980 sucked because there were so many boxers out there. And the Soviet boxers were invisible. In 1955, were there competitive professional boxers from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Russia? Nope, none. Zero. Even Cuba after Castro restricted boxers ( and baseball players).

    People my age say oh the music in the 60's,70's was great. Sorry, but there was a whole lot of suck ass music in those days.

    IMO we have on average the best group of boxers ever right now. The most athletic, the best trained and most fit. No one is sucking the juice of steaks to get ready for fights. The big issue is the lack of big fights between champs due to promoters and cable channels refusing to make the big matches.....for the most part.
     
  11. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Every era has talented fighters. Saying one era has better fighters than the other is apples and oranges. If anything quality control is lacking today due to too many weight classes and belts, which cheapens the value of being a world champion, but from time to time the public still get a great fight between two elite fighters.

    As for fantasy fight discussions it still boils down to speculation, since nobody knows how any of these fights would turn out, since anything can happen in fights.
     
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    Instrumentational Complexity of Music Genres and Why Simplicity Sells | PLOS ONE

    Actually, it's been demonstrated that music in a genre that becomes popular winds up trending towards less complexity over time, i.e. it actually does start sounding all the same after a while. Grandpa was right all along.
     
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  14. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The new era just isn’t as good the have the potential to be better with all the developments and training and opportunities, but this generation of fighters and fighter fans lack any type of ambition to prove greatness.
    These guys be the super regular vacant wood champion nowadays and only face bum after after stalling out fights and get called great, meanwhile past fighter actually fought ducking has always happened but previous era you had more consistent big fights being made.
     
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  15. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Music definitely isn't getting better. Auto tune and computers are the real talent now.
     
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