Are the people who claim Hopkins made racist comments actually racist themselves?

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  1. Boxfan1

    Boxfan1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Would it be racist if a hispanic fighter says he will never let a gringo or a negro beat him?
     
  2. mofo2

    mofo2 Active Member Full Member

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    Its simple.....if Joe had said, I aint gonna lose to no Black boy...it would be classed as racist,of that there is no doubt...whats pissed me off as a white person is that I accept its not right or proper to make comments about a mans skin colour so as to be derogatory, as do most white people with the exception of a few numbskulls....but the black community feel they have a right to pass the comments of as nothing, and then accuse us of having sensitivity issues because we think he's a cheeky ****....thats were the double standards lie and not with us.
     
  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    As a champion of free speech, I think too much emphasis is placed on words, and I reject political correctness as nothing more than a fancy phrase which advocates censorship.
     
  4. Duende

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    I couldn't care less about what Hopkins said as a whiteboy myself, but his comments were racist. You can spin it all you want, he made a racist statement, most whiteys just don't give a crap though(as they should).
     
  5. mofo2

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    I'm not saying that the comments were serious...lets face it they were **** all really and made me smile when I first heard them,but when you take the time to think about such a simple sentence and look at a sportsman and a person in the public eye..I think he should have had the intelligence to act responsibly and not be a smartass to that extent......I agree there is a crazy amount of polotical correctness gone mad,but maybe thats why this Black guy who no doubtedly has been abused by moronic white trash for the colour of his skin should have said **** all like he did.
     
  6. gruuby

    gruuby CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL Full Member

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    You could support the freedom of speech but you don't have to be ******ed and accept everything everybody says. You can and should place value judgments on other's statements. For example, just because you have the right to say whatever you want it doesn't mean you should. Just try saying something improper about my wife in my presence. I'll respect your freedom of speech but will whoop your ass regardless. Free speech, including hate speech is protected in the US. That's why you get to spew your illogical, ethnocentric rants on here even though you don't have a leg to stand on.

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    Just today for example, representative Davis had to appoligize for calling Obama 'boy.'
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Davis_Apologizes_A_poor_choice_of_words.html
     
  7. mofo2

    mofo2 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree...I just get ****ed off when i'm told the comments were not racist....because they quite clearly were even if the intent was'nt.
     
  8. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you hit the nail on head :good

    if look like a duck and quack like a duck its a duck.
     
  9. gruuby

    gruuby CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL Full Member

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    Well, then it follows from your own statement that you are racist. Think about it. If you claim that you have to be racist to judge a statement as racist. Then aren't you racist judging others' statements as racist?
     
  10. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Do you see how you just blatantly contradicted yourself? On one hand you say that it's not right or proper to make comments about someone's skin color as to be derogatory, you then follow that up by implying that the black community is predjudice and hypocritical.
     
  11. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    There has to be an intent for racism to occur, otherwise it's called a prejudice. I think people need to brush up on their terminology.
     
  12. gruuby

    gruuby CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL Full Member

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    Seems like you need to read up yourself. Few definitions for you:
    [SIZE=-1]* Prejudice or discrimination based on an individual's race;
    * [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]or racialism is a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. ( clearly Bhop thinks he's superrior to white fighters )
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  13. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    This definition is bull****, that is not an accurate definition of racism.

    Let's tackle the second one. Bernard did not say that blacks are a superior race than whites. He said that he would never lose to a white boy. He also never discriminated against Calzaghe or any other white person. He explained his comments by saying that from his exprience, it is mostly blacks and hispanics that box.

    If you believe that it's mostly blacks and hispanics that box, it's easy to see how someone could come to the conclusion that blacks and hispanics are better boxers than whites. It's a predjudice, but it's not neccessarily racist. If whites don't box as much as blacks they won't be as good. It's not that they don't have the ability to box, but rather that they just don't box. If more of them boxed and took the sport as seriously as blacks or hispanics, they would be better(I'm not saying that this is how I feel, but rather explaining why this is an issue of predjudice or stereotyping rather than racism).
     
  14. mofo2

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    There is no contradiction what so ever....the overall view from the community is that the comment was'nt sufficient to be classed as racist ,although it was a dig at the colour of his skin......predjudice,well some are....hypocritical....well some are again...........read it again and take all the things I have said in context.
     
  15. gruuby

    gruuby CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL Full Member

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    How naive. So you'd call Hopkin's statement 'prejudice against white fighters' then? No matter how you spin it, Bhop feels white boxers are inferior and that's racist.
     
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