Are there any middleweights that could have beaten all fabulous 4?

Hilarious that you've not included Roy.

 

Why not?

 

Why? One punch from either Hagler or Hearns and he's asleep. He might KO Hearns but he wouldn't hagler. And he'd get caught trying

 

Why?

These guys were 4 of the greatest fighters of all times.

They're my boxing heroes.

However, 3 of the 4 peaked at the lower weights.

Marvin often used to weigh in at 157 pounds, back in the days of same day weigh-ins.

Although they might rank higher on an ATG than a guy like Roy Jones, he would be favoured over all of them H2H.

Roy's last fight at MW was the same year he beat James Toney, where he weighed 170 plus on fight night.

 

I'd have loved to have seen Nunn fight those guys, especially Hearns.

 

Quite comfortably?

A 25 year old version of Roy, weighing in as a SMW-LHW?

Roy's speed and unorthadox style would have caused Marvin nightmares.

 

Canelo? At 154 which he loses to both Hearns and Leonard. And due to Canelo being better there that's where I'd have the bouts take place

 

Well as I said it's in that post it's a stoppage, I'd say that's quite comfortable

 

You can say that about most of Roy's opponents.

'IF' is the biggest word in the dictionary.

IF Marvin or Hearns could have landed a beautiful shot like Tarver did, then sure. But would they have had the opportunity?

I don't think so.

He wouldn't have had to have KO'd Marvin. His unorthadox elusiveness and amazing speed could have seen him beating Marvin on points.

I love Marvin. But the way he gets talked of here is a bit OTT in my opinion.

You're looking at a 157 pound guy, fighting a 170 plus pound Roy Jones, which was basically the same version who beat James Toney in 1994.

A peak version of Roy Jones weighing that would be favoured over any MW in history, H2H.

He'd have been a stylistic nightmare for anyone.

 

That's your opinion mate.

Fair enough.

I'm struggling to see how he'd have found Roy.

Roy's speed would have been an absolute nightmare for him.

He wouldn't have been there to be hit like Hearns was.

Although he was obviously faded in his fight with Ray, you could see how hesitant Ray's movement made him. And Ray was faded himself and he'd been out for over 3 years. I think Ray's speed would always have caused him issues. And Roy's speed, size and style would have been even harder for him.

 

Are you on his Pay Roll or something? He wasn't unbeatable at 160, his peak was at 168. I can't knock Roy however, I have him as the second best (skill) fighter ever after Ezzard Charles. But he was extremely chinny and Hagler was excellent at finding shots, he would here and it only took one or two. I agree that his movement and speed could get him a decision, but he wasn't a natural ring general or had the greatest footwork ever, he'd be forced back by Hagler and outmanoeuvred by Hearns. I doubt Jones at any weight hit harder than Mugabi who Hagler managed with at an older age.
Jones is a class operator but does he beat Hagler, not in my book. Could he beat Hagler, absolutely.
But I also disagree that he's the greatest H2H in MW history. I'd take Charles, Robinson, Hagler^ and Graziano to beat Roy.

 

As I said in the other post, his footwork wasn't as good or elusive as Ray's, just quicker. Hence why he struggled so badly when he slowed down. An ATG at cutting of the ring would find him a lot easier to catch at least once than most would think. I agree he'd be a harder fight than Hearns and I think he KOs Hearns but not Hagler.

 

Toney wouldn`t have been able to cut the ring off on Leonard just like in his clash with Roy. Do you think Roy could match all 4 in every department aside from his chin?

 

I'm on his pay roll because you disagree?

Roy's peak was at SMW, but only because he beat Toney there and his father hindered his progress by holding him back at MW when he was younger. Again, his last fight at MW was the very same year he beat Toney. He was 25 years of age and he knocked out Malinga with ease, before crushing Thomas Tate in just 2 rounds. He didn't get any better than that. The versions of Roy who beat Tate and Toney were the same fighter, with just a difference of around 4 pounds.

You say he was chinny. I don't think he ever had a great chin, but he took solid shots off of Toney, Ruiz and Tarver before his demise.

Mugabi was very tough, but Roy had one punch knockout in either hand, coupled with blinding speed and the element of surprise due to how unorthadox he was.

Robbo was a better all around fighter than Roy, but his peak was at WW.

Picking Graziano just baffles me. Now I love those old fighters, and if you've read my posts before, you'll know how much I hate the ignorant people on this forum who claim that former greats couldn't have beaten modern fighters, due to sports science and the supposed evolvement of the modern athlete etc. However, we have to be realistic here. Although I've read up on Rocky and have seen Newman's great portrayal of him numerous times, we need some perspective. Rocky was what, 5'7-5'8 tall? He had a small reach, and he often weighed under 160 at his peak. Then there's the fact that he was easy enough to hit. Yet you're seriously telling me that you'd have favoured him over a 170 plus pound, peak version of Roy Jones? You're kidding yourself.

 

Roy would have been a H2H nightmare for all of them.

He had blinding speed, one punch knockout power in either hand, cat like reflexes, and he was naturally bigger than 3 of them, and weighed 170 plus on fight night.