Are there any skills that have been forgotten in boxing?

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  1. Juan carlos

    Juan carlos Active Member Full Member

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    I know that boxing has evolved but I understand that there is knowledge that should have been lost throughout all this time...
     
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  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I notice a lot of guys can't utilize a jab to the body without getting Calmare therapy on their heads if they try it consistently.
     
  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not forgotten but with the decline of American boxing you don't see a lot of the old defenses like the peek-a-boo and the Philly shell.
     
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  4. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course. Boxing did not experience clearly lineal evolution as far as pure technique goes since perhaps the transition from bareknuckle. Give or take. The loss of high level inside game is one notable example. Boxers of old were often capable wrestlers and for a good reason.

    Fighting game is not like other sports where the time only produces better specimen, though many aspects of it improve (nutrition, training methods, modern miracles of medicine.)
     
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    Power_tek Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wouldn’t say forgotten but the art of the feint is being lost, and it was good to see madrimov using it against Crawford, but it was equally as frustrating that he didn’t follow it up.
    I know that feinting is still part of the sport but it’s not something that is used as consistently as it was, feints are few and far between and are not as effective as they were before.
    Feinting has changed from mimicking the natural motion and movement of a fighter’s natural punching technique, with the foot work, body movements and setting up the punch but without the final movement.
    To the current common representation of the feint that has become almost a body feint where the fighter is using the body shape and movement to create the feint, this is done in between the fighters rhythm of their foot work along with their range finding jabs this is a byproduct of another neglected nuance of the sport, head movement, the lack of head movement in boxing is the most noticeable skill in boxing that seems to be lacking, so much so that it is noticeable when a fighter does utilise the movement of his head as part of his defensive positioning and also in combination with foot work to create openings.
    It is very clear to see when you watch fighters from the 70s 80s and 90s, as an example think of Nigel Benn or Salvador Sanchez.
     
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  6. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think boxers spend more time in the weight room and less time jumping rope now. Maybe a bit more strength and power has been traded for being that much more fleet footed.
     
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    Scotty Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair judging
     
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    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The skill of staying active with fights and not getting rusty
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    The slick European style is not as common as it once was
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    No great jabbers anymore.
    Strait rt hand to the body ala Tony Zale has basically been forgotten in favor of the left hook to the liver. The rt hand to the heart area that Fitzsimmons Dempsey and countless others from that time period is completely forgotten.
     
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  11. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hi Buddy.
    Excellent points, especially the right hand to the heart, in fact that punch alone was instrumental in slowing down Greb, as frequently employed by Tunney, from the 2nd fight onwards, folklore would have it that no less a fighter than Benny Leonard told Gene to use it , as often as he could, feeling that would be the punch to halt Greb in his tracks.
    stay safe robert, always have time for your posts, chat soon.
     
  12. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Madrimov did this weird hypnotizing constant fully body feint the entire time. Kind of made my eyes hurt to watch.
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Jabbing off the hook
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Feinting has gone down the bog a little bit, makes sense given the fact that fighters have way less time to lay traps now than they used to.

    Parrying is in the shitter, which makes sense given how much of the head you can cover with a static guard.
     
  15. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was going to say feiting as well. That and a good jab to the mid section IMO.
     
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