Are these 4 the best in the last 20 yrs ????

Floyd is defo ahead of hopkins. hopkins lost twice to the same fighter. rjj beat him. calzaghe beat him....even though i want floyd to fight certain fighters-hes ahead

 

Because despite the losses to Taylor and Calzaghe, two world caliber P4P rated fighters at the time, Hopkins still sports a very impressive resume by contemporary standards. Not to mention, many people felt B-Hop beat both Taylor and Calzaghe respectively, but was not given the nod by the judges because of his defensive style.

I have never heard anybody say Hopkins is a top 10 P4P rated fighter of all time, but he certainly gets the nod over Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquiao for me. Longevity he scores very highly, and like I said before, we can all poke holes in any resumes, but B Hop has a lot of names in the W column.

 

Now lets discuss who Floyd beat and who Hopkins has beat up until this point seeing as that is the only real statistic that matters.

 

i was waiting for a brit to raise the flag to be honest - because calzaghe beating jones and hopkins has nothing to do with prime arguments.

if you want to play stone, paper scissors then mayorga, forrest, mosley, oscar should be right up your alley.

 

Hopkins fought the best and we know what the outcomes were. Floyd never fought the best to take a chance at losing. He has handpicked very well. Floyd is in no way greater than Hopkins, as a matter of fact Floyd is not great. Floyd has not fought anyone prime and great. And it doesn't look like he ever will have the guts to.

 

He loss against the best. Jones-Calzaghe are great fighters. Taylor was younger and hungrier at the time. Taylor is a good boxer and is capable of beating anybody if he really trains hard and focus for the fight.

anyways lets look at hopkins resume.
19 world championship title defense at middleweight.
Beat future hall of famer in

delahoya-trinidad-winky.

Very good wins against tarver-pavlik-holmes-ehcols-simon brown-joppy-eastman

This guy fought and beat many good fighters.

 

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It's somewhat ironic that Michael Nunn's one punch knockout of Kalamby is arguably better than anything on Mayweather's resume.

Mayweather Jr has a pretty good resume, but not in the context of this thread. We are talking about an exclusive club consisting of only four fighters who have competed within the last 20 years. A lot of great fighters have come and gone, and I always give preference to a fighter who has a more impressive resume.

Do you give the nod to Mayweather Jr because you think he would beat Hopkins H2H, because you believe him to be a more complete fighter, or because you can honestly say his resume is more impressive? The first point is speculative, and the second and third go hand in hand. If he is the more complete fighter, I expect that to reflect in his resume. It doesn't.

 

thats a really ignorant post.

do you think that because hopkins ruled at MW and never jumped in an ordinary division it gives him kudos over floyd when floyd legitimately took on all comers pre-gatti?

floyd might have cherry picked to a point after gatti but floyd took 10 times more chances than hopkins ever did.

 

I can think of a few times Hopkins took some note worthy chances. Taking on one of the best fighters on the planet, Jones, despite being very in-experienced. Taking on Tarver, the bigger man, when he was supposedly past his best. Or how about taking on the unbeatable Trinidad, in a fight he was not supposed to win? Not to mention one that should still be fresh in your mind, taking on the murderous punching Pavlik in his prime, despite being, as many people believed him to be once again, past it?

Who did you pick in all of those fights?

 

If you think micheal nunn would out box Hopkins prime for prime then I suggest you re-avaluate your evaluation of Hopkins.

There are wieght division that Floyd fought at where you can only name one or two guys that would beat him. You can't say that about Hopkins. Especially when you have a splash in the pan like nunn (not to take anythign away from him he was a very good fighter) beating him.

So for me there always has to be a cieling for a guy like that interms of rating him against other ATGs.

 

FLoyd was cherrypicking before Gatti.

His resume at 130 is beyond reproach but after that it starts unraveling.

On paper, his stay at 135 looks good until you consider that most felt he lost the first Castillo fight, which means that at that weight he did so-so!

He did not do much better at 140, and at welter his crowning glory is a shot DLH.

 

When Michael Nunn came up against a defensive master who could take a good shot when he had too, he won in the first round. I'm reffering to the Sambu Kalamby fight. He was also outboxing Toney for the majority of their bout until he was hit with a huge shot himself. Don't sell Nunn short as a "splash in the pan", he beat some very good fighters. Kalamby, Tate, Barkley, Curry, and Starling were all big names at that time.

Not that Nunn's resume would have any baring on a H2H match-up between the two. Styles make fights.

Speculation. Has no barring on this much like my analysis of Nunn/Hopkins doesn't either. Hopkins has the better resume.