Miguel Cotto - 2 div. champ, undefeated at Jr. Welter, beaten Mosley and Clottey. Ricky Hatton - 2 div. champ, only losses to 2 ATG P4P no.1 boxers, beaten Tszyu and Castillo Diego Corrales - 2 div. champ, beat Castillo and Casamayor Jose Luis Castillo - lightweight champ, beat Casamayor and Corrales, nearly beat Mayweather And how about these guys? They would most likely have less chances but I'd like to know. Naseem Hamed Winky Wright Arturo Gatti Oscar Larios Israel Vazquez Fernando Vargas Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
cotto is imo hatton probly make it into it. aint to sur about the others. like to see gatti make it though
There isn't a fighter on here who has no case but I think Larios and Vargas have the weakest case of them. Since it's fame and not greatness, I cannot think of many fighters I've seen in more decently sized TV fights than Arturo Gatti and how many of them were outright classics? Hatton's following was ridiculous and even though he was on the losing end both times, the FMJ and MP fights were very big, obviously. Castillo and Corrales damn near put each other in the HOF without their other fights. Vazquez's trilogy with Marquez (I still call it that) puts him there almost by itself too. Wonjongkam had too good a comeback and too long a reign not to go in. Hamed was too big a star not to go in also-eventually anyway. Cotto's fights with Margo, Mosley, Pacquiao and more, he sold too much, had too much airtime not to get in. He's too big a part of the sport's history now I think, although a third division title should make him a lock. All the drama is a sure way to get you in there. I know people aren't happy with some of the lesser fighters that do get in but again, it's a hall of FAME. Not a hall of the most skilled.
What? His title winning effort against Patterson, followed by his two title defenses with Ruelas and a Patterson rematch, 2 of the three in his hugely popular trilogy with Ward, his other title winning effort against an undefeated Branco getting him his second weight class world title and his title defenses for that title against Dorin and and Leija? All his big fights? :huh Maybe this is like that De La Hoya myth that he lost all his big fights. :conf
Cotto - yes Hatton - no Corrales - yes Castillo - yes Hamed - yes Wright - yes Gatti - yes Larios - no Vasquez - yes Vargas - no Wonjongkam - yes
I don't know what the criteria for the Hall of Fame is, nor do I particularly care about who and who isn't inducted, but I would suggest that given the number of FOTY's Gatti was in, he'd warrant a place. As would Hamed and Hatton because they were both insanely popular and did wonders for the sport. Throw Wright in there as well, based on achivements rather than popularity and fame.
Never rose to the top of those divisions except for a brief time because Mayweather retired. Good resume. Very good boxing skills. BORDERLINE (leaning towards YES) Top JWW for several years. Good resume. Average to good boxing skills. Boxing style that verges on the illegal, tolerated only because he was a cash cow. Hometown fighter. BORDERLINE (would be YES on accomplishments but his illegal boxing style leaves a bad taste in my mouth. What would have his career been like with proper refereeing? :think) No.1 at SFW and LW for a short time. Win over Castillo(tainted because of spitting of mouthpiece), win over Casamayor was a robbery. Has a very good win over undefeated Freitas. Big size advantage that compensated for his decent boxing skills. NO No.1 LW for a couple of years. Win over Mayweather. Questionable win over Casamayor. KOd LW Corrales as a JWW. Stopped at every weight class he fought at (FW, SFW, LW, JWW, WW). Only two shorts stints as LW WBC champ to show for his long career. Good boxing skills. BORDERLINE ( leaning towards YES because of his win over Mayweather) No.1 FW for several years. Good resume. Athletic ability compensated for his lack of fundamentals. BORDERLINE (leaning towards YES) YES. Very good resume. Great boxing skills. NO BORDERLINE NO NO BORDERLINE
Verges on the illegal, but then it definitely is? The kind of proper refereeing that Ali got for pulling down on the back of the head and neck? Or the kind Lewis and Wladdy got/get for draping themselves on smaller opponents' backs? Or the kind that penalizes Foreman for pushing or the kind that penalizes BHOP and Holyfield for using their heads? Not that I'm comparing the levels of the fighters altogether but...you know...
In the USA it verged on the illegal against lesser known boxers. Even against Mayweather he was allowed to an extent but not against Pacquaio where Bayless jumped in immediately when he tried to hold. In the UK it was. He was allowed to do anything he wanted and was protected by the refs.
I'm sorry but something is either legal or illegal. Then there are things at the referee's discretion...If it was legal, regardless of the place or sanctioning body, it is what it is. Shouldn't give you pause any more than the other examples I cited, I wouldn't think.
I agree. Illegal tactics don't keep people out of the hall of fame or make them any less of fighters. If that was the case Greb, Ali, and Lennox wouldn't be in. There still great fighters and in the ring u have to do anything to win just as long as it's with your body and no substances, bribes, or weapons lol.