Are these the top 5 fighters since Ray Leonard ?

Lose PBF for Hopkins, and maaaaaaybe lose Chavez for Marco Antonio Barrera. Maybe.

 

:yikes atsch

 

Thank you Bill.
Whitaker, Mayweather and Jones and are solidly on the list. That leaves 2 open spots.




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Are you seriously telling me you rank Mayweather higher than Holyfield pound-for-pound? Come on Bill, that can't be justified and you know it.

My top 5 would be:

Whitaker
Pacquiao
Jones
Holyfield
Chavez

(6.Hopkins, 7.Mayweeather)

PS: what is the point of putting them in order of age? If that is your ranking of them then just say so, you are the man who detests anonymous polls because it allows people to disown their opinions!

 

Whitaker
Pacquiao
Jones
Holyfield
Chavez

(6.Hopkins, 7.Mayweeather)

agree with this:good

 

You can only go by what you've seen; I've seen Floyd look impressive and consistent against a range of opponents, but he has done NOTHING to prove he should be above either Hopkins or Holy (who incredibly I forgot to mention so fair play to Popkins:good)

Even a win against Pac will not make it clear cut IMO; I think both Pac and Floyd are fighters that are best left alone (in terms of evaluating their 'ATG' status) until they are retired:good

 

I'd go for (in no order)...

Chavez
Whittaker
Pacquaio
Barrera
Hopkins

 

Swap Calzaghe for Chavez and it is a very solid top 5.

I don't thing Chavez has anything over him.

 

Bill, is it seriously gonna take you till Doomsday to realize that ability comes way behind resume when making lists of greatness? It matters not a jot that Floyd has niftier skills than many other fighters, you can't just place him above other fighters who went to the well again and again and again because you like the look of Floyd more. His resume is garbage when placed against other all-time greats, and his resume is rather feeble when placed against other fighters from the last quarter-century. This should not and simply cannot be ignored by any serious boxing fan because he has a neat shoulder roll, a big mouth and a zero.

A comprehensive win over the merely good Chico Corrales, a loss and a dull/unimpressive points win in 2 fights with the good-to-very-good Castillo, a dull and unconvincing SD over a years past-prime Oscar, a 10-round stoppage of Ricky Hatton at a weight Hatton was not at his best at, a points win over Zab Judah, and a pointless points win over an overweight JM Marquez.

I don't know how anyone can rate this rap sheet any higher than I do. It just isn't very good no matter how you look at it. I'll rank Floyd higher once he fights and beats Pacquiao and Mosley. Till then, he doesn't deserve to be in the top 5 for this thread. The other guys mentioned in this thread have just done more with their ability.

 

Joe C.

I'm not even going to touch your placing of Chavez at #1 and Pea at #2 because I have engaged you on this matter before, and you don't even try to justify it, you know there's no argument for having Chavez higher, it's purely because you like him more.

Holyfield: Beat the number 1 cruiserweight in the world in only his 13th pro contest (that number might be a little out, but it is definitely round about that), cleaned up the division to become the greatest cruiser ever (still is to this day), despite his size he managed to have a long and successful heavyweight career, posting wins over Bowe (a stunning achievement for a former cruiser), Tyson (twice mastered a resurgent beast), Moorer, Mercer, Rahman, and competed well while past-prime against a prime and dominant Lennox Lewis (Holy's performance in their 2nd fight is often unfairly overlooked and forgotten).

If that doesn't put Mayweather's achievements in the shade to any sane boxing fan, I don't know what does.