Are these the top 5 fighters since Ray Leonard ?

I'm sorry, but I can't say I was remotely impressed by Floyd's performance in either Castillo fight or the Oscar fight. If that is hate, then I must be guilty, because that is my genuine opinion from having seen all three fights numerous times.

 

**** it then, I rate Lopez higher than Mayweather. And Joe Calzaghe. Add Marciano to the list also. An undefeated records means one of two things. You either campaigned in a weak division for the majority of your career, or you damn right refused to fight the best in your weight division. Nobody is about to tell me Floyd tried to get a fight with the best Welterweights in the world for the last 4-5 years but was unsuccessful. No way. He struggled with Oscar, I felt he lost to Castillo.

Give me a straight answer to this question Bill. What is your criteria for ranking fighters, I'm befuddled. You even think Whitaker and Chavez are interchangeable?

 

It was in response to that. :good

 

I honestly think Bill's ranking system is done in terms of how much he likes each fighter, that would explain why he thinks it is hatred to view any fighter critically, he is involving likes and dislikes in it.

 

Jones would never have lost to (or nearly lost to, whatever) a Castillo-standard fighter, then took a dull and unimpressive decision in a rematch where he refused to engage. If you look at both fighters' peaks objectively, Jones was the more effective fighter.

What exactly is your argument for ranking Mayweather higher than Holyfield? Is there one?

 

And Pacquiao outdoes Mayweather in career Achievements and record, and that wouldn't have changed regardless of the outcome of their upcoming fight?

 

You have for a long time said that you struggle to choose between Chavez and Whitaker for who should be higher. Well, you used to say Chavez should be higher, but you have revised that recently to saying it is a difficult choice that could go either way. How exactly have you been coming to that conclusion, considering your three criteria? It's honestly not even close.

 

You are a Mayweather fan Bill, that much is crystal clear. There's no shame in that, I'm confused as to why you would imply otherwise here.

I also call it how I see it, there is zero difference in the way I view Mayweather to the way you view Lennox Lewis. The only difference is the way in which I view your opinion of Lewis and you view my opinion of Mayweather, ie you cry hate and I don't.

 

Is this a serious post?

 

Mayweather may have better 'skills' (I say may have), but Jones was the more effective fighter, and that's what counts ultimately. Barrera had better skills than Pacquiao, and Pacquiao crushed him. Better 'skills' in this day and age simply means slicker, that's why you get inbreds in the General saying Joan Guzman is the second coming of Christ and that Roberto Duran was an uncultured savage who flailed around like an angry drunk in a pub carpark. Jones was a more effective fighter in his prime, because he schooled the best fighters he fought and was virtually untouchable for an entire decade, whereas Mayweather struggled with fighters of a standard Jones would not have, and failed to impress or convince against his best opponents.

Holyfield must rank higher than Floyd... 'end of'. No-one has made a decent argument to the contrary on this thread, and I doubt there even is one.