Are Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua broken men?

box33 · Nov 25, 2023

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Neither was close. Like I said, 8-4 at absolute worst and the first one was more like 9-3 at worst.

It was more than a mere ego malfunction. He had huge meltdown

He was prowling round the ring like a irate ogre, chatting absolute nonsense, aggressively fist bumping people whilst not making any sense at all

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He hurled Usyk's belts out the ring, before walking over to Usyk's senior citizen trainer and shoulder barging him in order to instigate a fight with him even though he hadn't done or said anything wrong to provoke him, at which point he had to be restrained by burly security guards and then Chisora from setting about a senior citizen half his size.

How often have we seen something like that happen in a ring after a fight, especially involving someone who is supposed to be a nice guy?

He is trying to navigate his way back to the top but you could even see signs of him still being broken at the presser the other day where every fighter on the stage was relaxed and calm and he looked super tense and tight and was trying so hard to look so mean and tough.

Broken doesn't necessarily mean destroyed. It means you've been broken and a broken fighter might still have enough to defeat a lesser foe or lesser foes than the man who broke them.
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You forgot to add AJs hyped up side man in Hearn who was shouting F****** Him up to Usyk haha such respectful behavior shown by an accomplished Promoter, that's probably where AJ gets it from seriously.

Serge · Nov 25, 2023

box33 said: ↑

They love to reference the corrupt judges & over hyped up commentators for their so called close 7-5 fight but then downplay those same factors when one of their favorites end up losing or robbing another fighter & now all of a sudden even their beloved Tapped out CompuBox Numbers have no merit on the fight.
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Yes neither fight was close. If you score the rematch 8-4 to Usyk that's fair enough but no way can you be anymore generous to him than that.

And that success AJ had with his onslaught in round 9 of the rematch was way overblown, largely due to the commentator's overexcitement.

The whole sequence started with AJ pushing down on the back of Usyk's neck and then cracking him with a couple of sneaky hammer fist/rabbit dirty shots while Usyk wasn't in a position to defend himself and then as soon as Usyk broke free AJ immediately pounced on him and just kept punching, most of which Usyk slipped or blocked, while Usyk was just trying to regroup and regain position. Usyk was not hurt, let alone in any danger of being dropped or stopped.

Serge · Nov 25, 2023

box33 said: ↑

Yeah that below the belt line shot definitely brought Fury back to the table or else.
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He sprung out of the coop after that low blow as quickly as he'd bolted into it whenever he caught scent of Usyk on the prowl

box33 · Nov 25, 2023

Serge said: ↑

Yes neither fight was close. If you score the rematch 8-4 to Usyk that's fair enough but no way can you be anymore generous to him than that.

And that success AJ had with his onslaught in round 9 of the rematch was way overblown, largely due to the commentator's overexcitement.

The whole sequence started with AJ pushing down on the back of Usyk's neck and then cracking him with a couple of sneaky hammer fist/rabbit dirty shots while Usyk wasn't in a position to defend himself and then as soon as Usyk broke free AJ immediately pounced on him and just kept punching, most of which Usyk slipped or blocked, while Usyk was just trying to regroup and regain position. Usyk was not hurt, let alone in any danger of being dropped or stopped.
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I know S & i also remember watching that Round 9 highlights all over just to see if he really did shake up Usyk or not & you're correct.

It's Ovah · Nov 25, 2023

iceferg said: ↑

Fury won, Joshua won but both looked like ****, Joshua more so.
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In what ****ing universe is winning a fight against a seasoned pro by knockout worse than scraping a SD against a complete novice and getting knocked down in the process?

That's got to be the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards in quite some time. Congrats.

iceferg · Nov 26, 2023

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It's Ovah said: ↑

In what ****ing universe is winning a fight against a seasoned pro by knockout worse than scraping a SD against a complete novice and getting knocked down in the process?

That's got to be the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards in quite some time. Congrats.
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N'Gannou KO's Helenius.

kiwi_boxer · Nov 26, 2023

iceferg said: ↑

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N'Gannou KO's Helenius.
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Based on one fight that apparently ‘Fury didn’t train for’? The excuses have been setup to defend Fury’s honour in any which way - it’s ****ing hilarious.

Any other excuses tonight, Roy?

Mark Anthony · Nov 27, 2023

iceferg said: ↑

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N'Gannou KO's Helenius.
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Unless he gets caught first, Ngannou is very easy to his with straight punches, he doesn`t move his head, Helenius is more powerful than Fury.

iceferg · Nov 27, 2023

kiwi_boxer said: ↑

Based on one fight that apparently ‘Fury didn’t train for’? The excuses have been setup to defend Fury’s honour in any which way - it’s ****ing hilarious.

Any other excuses tonight, Roy?
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Based on all his MMA career too, look at the way he butchered Stipe who was a state golden glove champion, and the way he pole axed Overeem. His last 6 MMA fights other than Gane he was wiping them all in 30 seconds and watch him at MMA he's not a wrestler or good kicker he's very limited in those departments.

iceferg · Nov 27, 2023

Mark Anthony said: ↑

Unless he gets caught first, Ngannou is very easy to his with straight punches, he doesn`t move his head, Helenius is more powerful than Fury.
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Who's Helenius KO'd especially in the last 5 years to say he hits harder than Fury? Whyte beat down Helenius for 12 Fury put Whyte away with one shot. It's pretty clear Fury hits a lot harder imo.

N'Gannou has a bigger reach than Helenius and doesn't move his head laterally but does pull it back and feighnt. Other than Kownacki Helenius has beat nobody in 10 years, he didn't even deserve to beat Chisora way back and Kownacki is losing to everyone now.

Let's not forget Joshua's face was a mess in this fight and was arguably losing. That's not the Joshua who was a wrecking ball he can still bang but he's basically lost everything else.

humbug · Dec 24, 2023

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I think that the pair of these fighters are showing signs mentally that the hunger has gone, in the case of AJ I think that in a fight when it gets tough he actually is prone to quitting too and he is now lazy in training camps.

Robert Garcia said that AJ is lazy, Carl Froch is on record say Robert McCraken couldn't get AJ to do his runs.

Joshua is getting beaten by Wallin, he will probably get the decision but not deserve it to set up the Wilder fight then he's toast.

I was at the Wild Card gym last week talking to Freddie Roach and he told me a few home truths about Tyson Fury when he was training him. Let's just say maybe Paris isn't the only woman in his life. Anyway to me Fury looked like he was having a meltdown at the Usyk press conference. He looks like he doubts himself. Could be a good thing Could be a bad thing, I expect to see a better version vs Usyk but I'm still making Usyk the favorite for now.

Thing is with Fury I have seen him rebound before.

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AJ not so broken after all it seems.

Babality · Dec 24, 2023

People have been wanting AJ to be "mentally broken" for ages. Lol. Is Usyk good or not? I thought he was supposed to be an ATG. You'd think losing to him is not the end.

Ginobili · Dec 24, 2023

iceferg said: ↑

Based on all his MMA career too, look at the way he butchered Stipe who was a state golden glove champion, and the way he pole axed Overeem. His last 6 MMA fights other than Gane he was wiping them all in 30 seconds and watch him at MMA he's not a wrestler or good kicker he's very limited in those departments.
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you know nothing about mma, Stipe in his prime beats him 9 times out of 10 , just like he beat him the first time , Stipe that Nganou KO’d was shot.
Helenius knocks him out. Your boy Fury is a joke just like wilder.

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