Yeah well the thread got all f'ed up somewhere in the middle but the initial post came from the heart.
This thread actually spawned this topic in which I had a nice gentlemen's debate with another user on here: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256347
How wrong could one person be? I think America is a great country with great people. How dare you try and cause hatred on a boxing site :dead
AlisJab read this, these are posts i made in the past week and don't ignore these facts/ Keith Holmes - Good win fought at Holmes natural weight. Syd Vanderpool - OK win fought at Syd's natural weight. William Joppy - Pretty good win fought at Joppy's natural weight. Antonio Tarver - Very good win went up to Light Heavy and beat Tarver, although Tarver was 37 years old and Jones beat him over 2 1/2 years earlier. Lupe Aquino - Smaller fighter who strated career at Welterweight. OK fighter. Kelly Pavlik - Smaller fighter who started career at middleweight. Hopkins fought Pavlik at a catch weight of 170 something Pavlik has never done in his entire career. Glen Johnson - Johnson had absolutely no one on his resume by the time he faced Hopkins. Johnson always struggled to make the middleweight limit. It was not until he moved up to Light Heavyweight where Johnson seen his success. Felix Trinidad - Smaller fighter who started career at welterweight. He wasn't bad at Middleweight when he fought Hopkins, but still Hopkins fought the smaller man. John David Jackson - Good win. Jackson was on the downhill by this time but still a pretty nice fighter. Jorge Castro beat the undefeated Jackson 2 1/2 years earlier before Hopkins did, as you know Castro got beat by Jones. Castro also gave Jackson another loss in '98. Oscar De La Hoya - Smaller fighter who started career at Lightweight. Hopkins fought Oscar at a catch weight of 158 pounds. The only fight Oscar had above this weight was agianst Felix Sturm at Middleweight in which many people thought he lost. The only reason why they gave Oscar the win was so they could set up the Hopkins fight.... Simon Brown - Smaller fighter who started career at Welterweight. Hopkins fought Brown at Middleweight. Simon Brown didn't have one significant good win at Middleweight. Many people considered Brown well past prime when he fought Hopkins. Winky Wright - Smaller Fighter who started career at Junior Middleweight. Hopkins fought Winky at a catchweight of 170 pounds. This is the only time Winky has fought above the Middleweight limit. Hopkins also made Middleweight Title defenses afgainst such greats as... Robert Allen x3 Antwun Echols x2 Steve Frank Carl Daniels Morrade Hakkar Andrew Council Joe Lipsey William Bo James that right there is 11 bull**** defenses. AlisJab gets PWNED by an audience of thousands and thousands live over ESB! artyartyartyartyartyartyartyartyarty
You ****ing Dummy, Roy Jones was P4P#1 for nearly 10 yrs, first and only man to ever be MW, SMW, LHW and HW champ, back in 02 Bernard pulled a bitchmove and priced himself out of facing Roy in a rematch because he is an opportunist who picks his spots. As for Tyson, he was the 1 and ONLY man in his day, he didn't have this 2 headed monster BS, furthermore he beat all the top HWs in the 80s, Wlad has yet to come even remotely close to Tyson. In conclusion, this is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read, which is saying something.
The p4p list is subjective and I've already addressed Roy Jones's career numerous times. Don't need to re-hash the same ****.
OK so you claim that Tyson beat all of the top Heavyweights of the 80's, wow. How impressive, hold on I have to stop laughing and correct you brother. Michael Dokes - Hmmm, for some reason I don't remember Mike Tyson facing him. James Tillis - Yes, Tyson defeated the feared James Tills who was coming off 3 consecutive losses and actually lost a ****ing fight to Joe Frazier's pathetic(From a boxing standpoint) son. Trevor Berbick - LOL Just a couple of years before fighting Tyson Berbick lost to the feared Renaldo Snipes and the amazing ST Gordon Pinklon Thomas - oh man, do I really have to explain? lol. Yeah..... uh, lol, Pinklon Thomas the feared beast of a heavyweight.... Buster Douglas - Beat Mike Tyson on February of 1990 but I suppose you would consider Buster Douglas a "90's fighter" lol. Tony Tucker - Well at least Tucker was able to knock out Buster Douglas. lol Tony Tubbs - (yawns) Frank Bruno - Tyson put his balls on the table here even though he had been knocked out by Tim Witherspoon a few fights prior to fighting Tyson. Tyrell Biggs - Sure Tyson knocked him out, but so did Francesco Damiani and Gary Mason in Biggs's two fights after Tyson, lol. Carl "the not so truth" Williams - had been knocked out by the feared Mike Weaver prior to fighting Tyson and knocked out by Tim Witherspoon and Jerry Jones after Tyson, plus a laundry list of guys put him to sleep even later in his career. Oh by the way, why was it Tyson didn't fight Tim Witherspoon? Oh I guess he still fought "all of the contenders"... It's a well documented fact that Tyson ducked Witherspoon and Holyfield in the late 80's, Riddick Bowe in the 90's, Mercer in the 90's, and Big George Foreman in the 90's as well. The Heavyweight division in the 80's was complete garbage. EVERYONE AND THEIR MOMMA KNOWS that Evander Holyfield was gonna kick Tyson's ass if they fought before Tyson went to Prison. (Oh I must correct something I forgot to add, he kicked Tyson's ass after Tyson came back, and was kicking his ass in the second fight as well.) [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkEGNgVWmEc[/ame]
how can u honestly say the Kelly Pavlik and Winky Wright wins for Hopkins are as good as Virgil Hill, Bernard Hopkins, John Ruiz, James Toney, Antonio Tarver (Roy Jones beat first, hahahhaha :yep) Hopkins fought them at ****en 170 pounds, something none of them have done before....just ridiculous. Also Roy beat Hopkins, Sosa, Tarver, Woods, Gonzalez, Harmon. All these fighters beat Johnson. Roy lost because he was past prime. I'm not even close to a fanboy as some posters on here, I'm not very biased at all, i have common sense, unlike you.
See when you take your biased out of it, you can say you use common sense. Roy Jones's only true legacy win was against James Toney. You know Hopkins hadn't hit his prime yet but yet you include him wanna be "common sense" user. Tarver knocked him out. Did you really put Woods and Harmon on there? Just stop typing. Anyone who knows Roy Jones's career knows he was cherry picking for a long time. A long ass time. The fact that you put someone like "Woods" on there says it all.
those are just names that Johnson lost to, i never said they were great wins. I never said Hopkins was prime either. But he was still a very good boxer. Woods is actually a good win though, way better than ****en Antwun Echols, who u said was a good win for Hopkins...:-(
Again, I'm a Roy Jones fan but I'm not a dumb Roy Jones fan, I don't spend any time pulling his dick. I also don't need smiley faces to make a point..... anyways.... Hopkins UNIFIED THE MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP. UNIFIED.... WBC middleweight title WBA Super World middleweight title IBF middleweight title WBO middleweight title He did that by beating guys who held each of those titles, he didn't beat someone who had already unified them. I suppose this mean's nothing to you though. Unlike Roy Jones, who was handed vacant titles in his career, B-Hop beat title holders, title holder after title holder and #1 contender after #1 contender. This doesn't mean Roy Jones is a bum, I mean dammit next to Sugar Ray Leonard he was my favorite fighter to watch in my lifetime. I'm just being honest. Past Bernard and Roy's primes, who's been the more dominant fighter? They both have comparable runs in their primes, but who's been the more dominant fighter past their primes? Don't even think about telling me Roy Jones. We all know that's what separates them.