Are us fans partially to blame?

I think what you are not stating is Holmes was in a very weak era with no one
to push him on to real greatness! His greatest effect was winning the WBC title against Norton with a torn bicep. Holmes just didn't have the opposition to make ATG status. Bernard's middleweight opponents where the same .

 

obviously Hopkins was more dominant past his prime, no ****en question.

But what Jones did in his prime, is better than what Hopkins did throughout his whole career. I don't see what's so hard to understand, Mostly everybody would agree with me.

Hopkins is an ATG fighter obviously and he's in the top 5 of the past 20 years for sure. Along with Pacquaio, Whitaker, Holyfield and Jones.

 

look at Sven Ottke he has 21 title defenses of the Super Middleweight title, does that make him one of the best ever? Title defenses don't mean **** when you're facing shitty competition.

 

:verysad damn man u are just a disgrace.

 

i don't know what you're talking about. I'm not biased towards RJJ it's only when stupid disgraceful human beings like yourself make horrible judgements about him that i have to correct you.


He's my favorite boxer ever and is an ATG and surely ranks higher than Bernard Hopkins. I'm sure most people on this site would agree.

 

When its all said and done they will both stay legends ..Imo Roy would still rank above him considering his career to heavy .Hopkins though a legend himself defied the odds with age ..They each are in the HOF for diffrent reasons ..The arguement will never end because what makes them great is what keeps people debating ..

 

thats one of the funniest posts i've ever read on esb :nut

 

it was a huge right, flush on alisjabs fragile glass jaw. his legs went all over the place, reminicent of when trevor berbick got ko'd by tyson :deal

 

That is why I said newbies are becoming dumber and dumber.

Where do they get these illiterate, imbecilic idiots?