**Are we ever going to see another boxer with the natural talent of Wilfred Benitez**

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  1. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was Jones not another guy mentioned?

    I mean, at the end of the day, it all boils down to YOUR definition of natural talent.
     
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  2. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    No, it boils down to Roy Jones Jr- the most talented boxer to ever lace em up.

    The Hector Lavoe of the boxing world. I'm speaking a language you understand now.
     
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  3. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    ...not mine but the experts...Natural talent at 15...and displaying a flawless performance at 17 ..known as the Bilbe of Boxing...is damm good credential...

    Face it you put SRL, RJJ, PBF Sweet Pea at 17 against 17 years old Wilfred and it would be a laugher...
     
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  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why?
     
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  5. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    LaVoe was raw talent...he can make a rythm out of anything..but talented as aSonero...Ismael River....he was a natural
     
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  6. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    ...because is the premise of the thread.....dog you have been posting like crazy last time I check you and me where right there...now you ****ing doubled me up
     
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  7. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So natural talent by YOUR definition is how good they were as a young age? :huh

    Is age really that important when talking about natural talent? I mean, it sure as hell can be used as a positive for Benitez! But I don't think it can be a negative on other guys who perhaps took 3 or 4 more years (20/21) to get to that level.

    I think what's more fair: At their peaks (of their prime's), who had the most natural talent?
     
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  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I understand the premise of the thread. I want to know why Benitez would beat all those boxers who are ATG's. You can't tell me "because experts say so". You dismiss their thoughts on Jones.

    I took a semester off, so I posted alot these few months.
     
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  9. Theo

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    to be honest i am not sure your right there, whilst i will ALWAYS question roys heart, i am not sure you can take anything away from his natural talent, you cant FIGHT his way without it.

    as for PBF, the dude stands up as a example of natral boxing talent in any era. (so does WB as well tho)

    so not saying they are more talented, but they are in the same ilk imo.
     
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  10. acb

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    Ruben Blades, E. Palmieri, Willie Colon, Cheo Feliciano... they may have all been more refined than Lavoe, but they didn't have the raw talent or the ability to improvise that he did.

    This comes down to how you define talent. They way I think you are defining is in how fast Benitez got out of the gate. I define it as the ability to improvise, to do things rarely seen before, the ability to adapt, having that special quality...
     
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  11. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    ...not really becuase Wilfred was not raw talent, he grew up in very good boxoing family and a father that was a PR HOF trainer...He had the talent but he also got the schooling..and that combined made him a freak of boxing at 17

    now as for LaVoe, he was street type sonero...he learned his craft in the street..while Ismael Rivera, who Benny More, who many say was the best sonero ever, called him "El Sonero Mayor" ..the greatest sonero!!

    BTW, Eddie Palmieri was not a sonero, his somero on his Orchestra was Ismael Quintana...and later Lalo Rodriguez
     
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  12. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    So then I ask you how you define talent?

    I guess it wasn't a bad idea to put our criteria down a long time ago.
     
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  13. Action

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    Benitez was one of the most talented ever. He NEVER got hit with a right hand.
     
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  14. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Benitez was anatural talented that was aided by his family linege in boxing royalty..he took it all in and at 15 he was already nationally rank when you ahd only two sanctioning bodies....

    He was master boxer...at 17...again if you want to compare, let see how RJJ or PBF have done at 17 against a the 17 year old Wilfred
     
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  15. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed and would add whitaker to that list as well
     
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