Are we getting a watered down product has the pool of talent declined in boxing?

How did America free my country, you moron?

Do you even know what country I'm from? Here's a clue, we kicked your ass during the war.

 

You think european promoters think any differently?

How many times have you heard Hearn say "I have to weigh up the risks and rewards for my fighters before I make a fight" or words to that effect.

You have McGuigan keeping Frampton away from Rigo.

Then theres the German promoters.

It happens everywhere

 

Mainly in America.

It's a well known fact that Americans do their best to duck out of fights. You did it in WW1 and WW2 until you were sure the Germans were going to lose.

America= a nation of duckers

 

1)Im from Ireland(living in the UK)

2) How can you duck out of a war thats 1000s of miles away from you?

3) It happens with ALL promoters

 

I definitely think the skill level has declined overall. Some of the newer crop of fighters just don't have it. That is why guys like Tim Bradley struggle with a faded version of Manny Pacquiao and Danny Garcia has to dig deep to beat washed up versions of Morales and Judah. Guys from the previous generations are more savy and know more tricks of the trade.

 

Yes. I suppose you can say that. I never question the athleticism and fitness of newer fighters, just their ring IQ, due to declined training or what you said, inexperience.

 

"Ducking" is a childish term.
Boxing is a business and boxers and their promoters make business decisions.

How many times have you heard Hearn say "We dont want to fight Ward because he doesnt bring any money"
The other day Froch said he had no interest ion fighting Ward or Golovkin because "They're not PPV fighters"

If you want to call that "ducking", go right ahead. I wouldnt.

Also, thats not why McGuigan said hes keeping away from Rigo. Hes keeping him away because Rigo doesnt bring in enough money. Straight from Barrys mouth.

Frampton is a 27 year old world champion. If hes not "ready" for Rigo now, he never will be.

 

“We’re not interested in Rigondeaux. He makes no money and no brings no TV,” McGuigan said via ESPN.co.uk. “He can’t draw 500 Cubans in Miami. This is a business. Don’t get me wrong, he’s fabulous but he’s awkward and negative.”

-Barry McGuigan.

That doesnt sound like "hes not ready for Rigo" It sounds like "Theres too much risk and not enough reward to fight Rigo"

 

This isnt recent. Froch and his team have been saying the exact same thing for the past 2 years. "Ward doesnt bring enough money....Dont want to fight him" Theres Youtube clips of Hearn saying that in front of an audience a year ago.

.”‘Professional boxing is a business first and foremost, let’s not forget that,’ said Froch. ‘People talk about Andre Ward, but I don’t want to fight him, he’ll probably beat me on points.
‘I’m a fighter and if I didn’t knock him out he’d beat me on points.
He’s not a big fight. American TV don’t want to show him on Box Office. So what’s the point?’
-Carl Froch on Andre Ward

Like I said, fighters make their decisions on risk-reward.

I dont blame Froch or Frampton.

Its smart business decisions. Just sucks for the fans sometimes

 

agree but could it be because fighters are much more rounded these days and although they dont seem very skilful in one area they are good at most things

 

So we're just ignoring that he came out and said,thats its really for business reasons?

The "Not ready" thing is just a smoke screen. The truth is obviously the business reasons.

Theres no reason to lie about the business comment....theres lots of reasons to fob people off with "not ready"

 

always worth bearing in mind that you're 1 of a very select group of individuals naïve enough to believe ward has been willing and able to fight froch since his shoulder surgery.

 

Clearly it never mattered whether Ward was wiling to fight or not.

Frochs team never wanted the fight. Not for the last couple of years certainly.

 

Why on earth would you lie to make yourself seem worse???

If a guy said one day "No, I didnt murder that guy" and a week later said "Actually I did murder that guy", would you say hes only saying he killed the guy to cover up that he didnt??

Saying you're "not ready" sounds fine to most people, and wont cause much backlash. It will have people saying "at least they're honest"

Saying "we're in this for the money" sounds bad, and will get people complaining about it. Saying "Frampton doesnt want to fight the best"

So why would you say something to make yourself look bad, to cover up making yourself look good??

Cant believe I have to explain this to you.

 

So they think Rigo is going to suddenly become some big star and bring in big bucks??

Rigo is never going to bring in big money, so why bother delaying the fight with "He doesnt bring in enough money"

By that logic the fight will never happen because Rigo will never bring in enough money.

Also if a 27 year old world champion isnt ready for someone, then he'll never be ready either.

I still dont see how anyone would lie just to make themselves look worse. Sort of defeats the purpose of lying.

At least you admit that its about the money "there isn't enough money for frampton too take the a fight he can't win, which would obviously have to be a ridiculous amount of money"

You're learning that its a business and using terms like "ducking" is a little simplistic

These guys weigh up the risk/reward with every fight. Pretty much none of them fight for "legacy" or "the fans", or any of that.

They fight to set their families up for life