Are we reaching another level/strategy of boxing

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Bummy Davis, Nov 29, 2014.


  1. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I just seen Tyson Fury do a poor mans version of Vlad Klitschko, no disrespect I thought he preformed a clinic but the Big man are utilizing their advantages and avoiding their weaknesses. Tyson is tough but showed some smarts. We have a few of these guys 6"8-6'9 and some are talented....we Have Detontay Wilder at 6'7 and Fury at 6"9 but Vlad is still King at 6'6 and tools

    Older guys,Bigger guys is it time to make a Super heavyweight division and how would the older past Big men do against these guys
     
  2. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The likes of Bowe and Lewis at 6'5" would still do well against them.
     
  3. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chisora had no answer for that strategy. It was a mismatch. However Chisora is somewhat limited. A decent fighter but nothing special he doesn't have one + weapon to utilize in fights. Fury fighting the way he did would trouble many smaller men but let's see how he looks against Wlad or other "fresher" opponents.
     
  4. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We may well be...entering a phase where fighter are utilizing their advantages much better. I'd never really cared to watch heavyweight boxing much before...but would have to say fighting such a big man who utilizes distance so well...would be very difficult. It's hard to say how the older generation would do...Objectively speaking smaller men generally have better technique and speed...and I think you could properly say that the older fighters had better overall craft in defense and offense...but how that would equate in a fight with such a large and athletic fighter is a good question. Another thing you could point to is that the older generations were very experienced. But in a fight between bigger and smaller men...it is the smaller fighter who has to fight harder and risk more to bridge the gap.
    I think the truly great fighters of the (more modern) past would do well against the new generation...but if you go back too far, I'm leaning towards the fighters of the past simply not being big enough, or athletic enough to offset the size difference.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Read my posts for the past 8 years. Superheavy skills are different than heavy skills... and superheavy skills, when utilized properly, will result in victory a disproportionate amount of times.

    It never helps a giant heavy to fight by a smaller heavies rules.
     
  6. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chisora looked like a shot fighter. All those hard fights against the likes of Vitali and Haye must have finally taken its toll against him.
     
  7. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have to agree with this...Chisora did not look good.
     
  8. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    While it should be obvious, this is worth noting nonetheless, primarily because the smaller heavyweight styles tend to be more fan friendly and aesthetically pleasing than properly utilized superheavy skills.

    What winds up happening is that the more entertaining style can get misrepresented as the superior winning style, so it looks like the division's getting worse and worse the further championship heavyweights stray from the Cruiserweight limit.

    As much as people complain about Wlad, Lewis received much criticism for this as well. Fans preferred the more exciting style of Rid**** Bowe despite Bowe routinely fighting the small-man's fight and shortening his own career because of it. More people liked Wlad when he threw punches like he was a middleweight, only to rag on him for inevitably gassing out because 245 pound heavyweights aren't supposed to throw at a Middleweight workrate.
     
  9. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Please write out specifically what these superheavy skills your talking about are.
     
  10. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What da?
     
  11. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    good point, I seen Fury hit the canvas over the smaller Cunningham, he did get up and utilize his advantage but not so sure he could do it vs the quality guys, I still think Joe Louis would take the big target out quick but these big guys are not just going in winging still we need to see them vs quality
     
  12. Flea Man

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  13. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good:good:good
     
  14. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Imo this is what is expected from them in the first place. You have to use whatever it is you have to your advantage.
     
  15. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chisora just couldn't deal with Fury's 'old school rough house tactics' in the clinch as well as Fury fighting smart on the outside. Fury has clearly been learning a thing or two from the master of these arts Wlad Klitschko. Fury could go far with these tactics. I'm glad to see him emulating the master and making the most of what he has. I've become more of a Fury fan now that he's following the Wladimir textbook.