Are we reaching another level/strategy of boxing

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Bummy Davis, Nov 29, 2014.


  1. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A limited David Haye was able to outbox a 7 foot Valuev and go 12 with Wlad relatively unscathed. Holmes, Ali both the same size as Haye and 10x more skilled would presumably get the job done.
     
  2. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think a SHW division would be a good idea. Boxing is supposed to be about people of a similar size fighting each other.
     
  3. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No.
     
  4. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes. That's why there are weight divisions.
     
  5. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not at HW
     
  6. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But the reason there are weight divisions is so there are not big size differences between opponents. People want to see fights between boxers who are evenly matched in terms of size and ability.
     
  7. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The lower weights are just a sideshow compared to the division, the HW division.
     
  8. aramini

    aramini Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The theory is the point of diminishing returns on size: a heavyweight between 200-220 lbs theoretically has enough strength to knock out any man, and coordination and stamina decrease with size after that point. Thus Carnera was an easy fight for Baer, though it was a size "mismatch". I think the small heavies have it tough, but guys who are naturally 210-215 are probably cutting to cruiser in modern competitions.

    Tyson was an abnormally small heavy in his own time period - an ATG man over 200 competes well with any of these giants. Most of his early matches weren't even fair ... for the bigger guy.

    The Klitschkos and Lewis fight smart and are also very unusually coordinated. I don't expect that future champions will be much bigger than them, and that if a superheavy division is made, a lot of heavies could beat the larger superheavies anyway.
     
  9. Outstock

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    Are you some type of Troll?

    Wlad doesn't box off the back foot , counter off the ropes and land upper cuts , body shots and 3-4 punch combinations.

    That is how Fury beat Chisora. He didn't resemble Wlads style of fighting in any shape or form.
     
  10. aramini

    aramini Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gone are the days of entertaining fights like Holmes Norton and Holyfield Bowe. I could barely stomach heavyweight fights from the Lewis/Byrd/rotating champion era about a decade ago. Not at all fun to watch.
     
  11. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    False.

    The way Fury manhandled Chisora in the clinch and picked him off by calmly placing his shots was taken purely from the Wladimir textbook. I've become a fan of this mini klitschko after last nights performance. He will go far.

    :deal
     
  12. Outstock

    Outstock PBR Full Member

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    Fury danced away from Chisora and when they did come together , he punched him up on the inside.

    I'll say it again. When does Wlad counter his opponents with his back on the ropes.

    Carry on Trolling. Enjoy it.
     
  13. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good:deal
     
  14. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    If your a short fighter. Then you'll definitely need some big power to punch against the taller super heavyweights. I do think the size difference is too big, in the heavyweight division nowadays. Realistically you won't out box a big man, that is specially trained to keep the distance with jabbing. Like Fury, they don't have to be necessarily talented. But those are the great advantages of being able to unload punches, at longer ranges without being hit. The smaller fighter will be limited to get their punches off at fewer occasions, in certain points of the ring. So it's important, that those rare occasions that a smaller man gets on the inside to land those shots. Makes them count, and does some actual damage. There hasn't really been a short powerful heavyweight since Sam Peter that could do that.
     
  15. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Less than 30 seconds into the fight Fury starts executing his clinching rough house tactics. A tactic he proved to be exemplary in during the fight. This was a masterclass in old school rough house tactics from Fury.