Are we reaching another level/strategy of boxing

While a disciplined performance from the big man his opponent didn't turn up. Barry Jones, part of the Boxnation team, noted how Chisora looked sorry for himself after two rounds. There were internal problems.

Too much is made of size. You do not fight 6'9", nor do you always punch your weight - Fury is a case in point. Measurements are eaten up by positioning. Admittedly it takes a skilled fighter to close the distance and make it count, but skilled fighter's there have been.

The likes of Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson all knew how to butter a big man up for the kill. Chisora did not know where to begin. His hero, Frazier, despite weighing a good 30lbs less was much quicker, explosive. The modern fan is invited to redirect his gaze from the tale of the tape to the tale of video evidence.

It is becoming a trend for heavyweights to go into the ring without a gameplan (or desire) as they quickly reconcile themselves to ingesting leather; prisoners of poor conditioning and technique. What Fury did wasn't impenetrable, but apparently his opponent helped ratify the notion.

 

Only a real Troll would credit Fury's win last night to clinching.

Wlad would not have looked that good. Wlad pulled out against Chisora because the style was all wrong for him.

You're just making a lame attempt to jump on the Fury band waggon now that he's proven himself to be a solid contender.

 

yes that's the normal way we become fans of fighters.
:nut

 

Thats not what you said. You said you liked him because he was a mini Wladimir , which i just debunked as poor Trolling.

 

He is a mini Wladimir. Peter Fury is doing a great job with Tyson.

 

See.

Uneducated Trolling.

 

Ted Spoon brings up some good points on this subject. True the best of the big men today make good use of their size, but how many of their opponents were good at closing the distance and dishing out punishment on the inside? The tall ones like the K brothers, Fury et. al fight tall which they should. But their smaller opponents fight tall also which nullifies their offense. I would love to see a good bob and weave hw who is fast on the attack and can punch with both hands against the giants of today instead of the stand up straight/eat leather and do nothing in the clinch fighters we seem to have too much of today. The quality just isn't the same anymore. When Fury was decked by Cunningham in their fight, I couldn't help but wonder what would've happened if that was Tyson or Louis or Dempsey in the ring that night. I don't think Fury would've finished the fight. I'm not putting down the big guys of today but I think too many people are sold on the idea that because these hw's are so big they're unbeatable because they're not.

 

The X-factor today is the mobility and coordination some bigger fighters have, as opposed to being statues like the giants of the past.

As was mentioned before, Lewis and the Klitschkos are unusually coordinated and balanced, and their footwork is great for a heavyweight of any size. Vitali's the least mobile, but had upper body movement that was rare for that size. Fury also has surprising mobility.

Not every big fighter has that- in fact, it's pretty rare. That's a big reason the first three guys I mentioned are HOF bound champions. Big fighters are a dime a dozen, and being big in and of itself simply isn't enough. We've seen modern versions of that with Chambers-Dimitrenko, Chagaev & Haye vs Valuev, Ibragimov-Briggs, etc.

What gets sold short is the rest of what these guys bring to the table.

 

Yes, this is the crucial point: giant superheavyweights generally are static, passive, slow. It is supposed to be that way, when you're that heavy the coordination systems don't work that well, the hearth has to pump more, you burn more energy.

But some of them, like the Klitschkos, Lewis, Fury, can still be fast, and coordinated, and with decent/good stamina.

In those rare cases, the gap is too wide for smaller heavyweights.

Only few superheavyweights have been really good. But when they are, they have too much advantage.

EDIT: also, at heavyweight, it have always been about the bigger the better.

Joe Louis was only 6'2, but used to be a freakish giant for his times, and towered over the out of shape midgets that were his opponents.

Ali was 6'2 1/2, but was almost always significantly bigger than his opponents. Foreman was only 6'3, like Haye, but was considered a freakish giant, and used to beat up way smaller than him opponents.

Today there still are people considering him a giant, while calling Haye, Cunningham and the likes blown up cruisers.

there are people that thinks Foreman would be the bigger man against today heavyweights.

There are people that thinks Mike Tyson was big.

People DKSAB.

 

There aren't enough of them to make their own division. You can't build a weight class around half a dozen guys. Anything less than about a thousand and the division gets weak. Those handful of guys fight each other and then what, they fight each other again?