Are we waiting too long for fights that should happen?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by avidlemon, Mar 3, 2011.


  1. avidlemon

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    Oh rob. Not again. I think you peaked too soonkn this thread!

    Grant I'm not saying he's not entitled to negotiate, Christ he'd be a fool if he didn't. But sweet Jesus, if the man needs handouts from uncle, then get in there and warn your corn. He needs to earn the right to fight a katsidis again. No gold plated hand jobs
     
  2. achillesthegreat

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    Murray Mitchell
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    Haye Wlad
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    These guys need to just hurry it up. I don't mind negotiations, they can be fun but it just gets so long. They spend so long thinking business that they do **** at business anyway.

    I love the Sugar Rays, Alis, DLHs, Evanders that realise that continously fighting the best and giving your best, win or lose is what pulls the punters in. Even the smaller names who do so can earn a pretty penny.
     
  3. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    thats all he has been doing. negotiating and now the fight is back on May 21st. twat.
     
  4. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So what are you saying?
     
  5. avidlemon

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    What im saying is he should be careful about negotiating and looking like a complete twat. He isn't a ppv king who can demand what he wants. If he'd beaten kats and then won a version of the world title then he'd be in a much stronger position. Right now he's re building.
    Plus we are having to wait too long for fights like this!!
     
  6. avidlemon

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    Is that when you dumped your load rob, as you typed the word twat one handed?
     
  7. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    What has he demanded thats making him look like a twat?

    this isn't a rebuilding fight. Its a major fight so he deserves to get a decent payday which he was not offered. If your only offered £20,000 when you will sell £150,000 worth of tickets without much difficulty is that acceptable? What do you think Murray who doesn't sell tickets especially in London, has faced nobody in his whole career is getting paid????

    your brining up mortgage payments and not training when you have no clue what actually happened. I accept these fights are not happening and its **** but in the case of this and Groves vs DeGale its Frank Warrens fault for not offering decent money. If he paid people what there worth these fights would get made.

    this stuff happens every week in boxing but it never comes out in the open. All the comments about retirement, paying mortgages were made by Warrens camp in an attempt to bully Kevin into taking the fight. every day people slag of Warren on this forum but the second someone stands up to him we get people like you calling him a *****?

    If I went to Paul Smith and Darren Barker and offered them £100 each to fight eachother would there be pussies for not accepting it????

    Calling him a ***** just show a complete lack of respect.
     
  8. avidlemon

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    The fight itself is about 2 levels below the katsidis fight. I may be talking about things I don't know much about but the facts are that Mitchell will not have fought for 12 months by the time the fight happens (if it does).
    In my eyes this fight is a good one but not a bill topper when you look at the bills Frank has been putting together. Mitchell is being fed to Murray make no mistake.
    At the end of the day Frank had to something to get Mitchell to fight, because at the end of the day Mitchell was sat on his books not earning a ****ing penny.
    Regards smith v barker. £100 is a crazy figure and there is a world of difference between that and 20k.
     
  9. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Mitchell wasn't costing Frank any money while he is not fighting. He has been injured thats why he hasn't had a fight.

    Mitchell is aware that he is being fed to but he is very confident of winning. He just wants a decent payday he hasn't asked for the world.

    The fight may be levels below Katsidis but it is still a major domestic fight and that will sell tickets and get tv viewers so both Murray and Mitchell deserve a decent sum.

    Smith is coming of a humiliating loss to a guy with 8 fights? If he was offered £20,000 for the Barker fight which does 5000 tickets in Liverpool or London for the British & European. Would it fair to offer £20,000 when the fight would generate 10x that amount? Would Smith be a "*****" for not accepting it.
     
  10. avidlemon

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    Why do you keep bringing smith into this??

    I think the major reason I am pissed off is that he hasn't fought for a long time and appears to have an opinion of himself that is higher than it should be. Maybe I'm wrong. But the essence of this thread is about fights taking too long to make. Which is the case with this one.
    By the way, if he ain't fighting and earning Frank money then he is losing him money
     
  11. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Your wrong. He hasn't fought in such a long time because he had an eye injury and wasn't medically cleared to box by the BBBofC. He has been ready since January but Warren hasn't put on any shows. He origonally had ones planned for March, April but now its put back to May. Not Mitchells fault.

    How is he losing Frank money. Frank doesn't pay him a monthly wage.

    Smith is in a simular situation to Mitchell. A ticket seller coming of a dominate loss but with options for big domestic fights.
     
  12. avidlemon

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    I haven't been keeping up to date with mitchells situation as closely as you rob and was not aware of the extent of his injury.
    I don't believe publicly at least that smith has spat his dummy out like Mitchell though.
    They're both tickets sellers, both are very good domestically, both could potentially compete at a higher level. The difference being that smith realises this, Mitchell believes he is a cut above and entitled to play hard ball. The art of negotiating is knowing value and worth and what someone is prepared to pay. This is where Mitchell is trying to punch above his weight IMHO