Are Wlad and Vitali not each other's mandatory for title?

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  1. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well as the topic title states, and why are they not forced to fight or be stripped? am I missing something here? Surely if they are universally recognised as 1 and 2 in the heavyweight division, surely the WBC, IBF and WBO have each other as number 1 challengers for the belts and have been for a while??

    Should they not be stripped of these belts? This is not a Klit hate topic, i'm just curious regarding this situation.
     
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  2. VecArrow

    VecArrow Custom User Title Full Member

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    They wont fight.
    If they get stripped, those organizations wont make money with other heavyweights.
    Money matters.
     
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  3. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    None of the main sanctioning bodies include champions of the other bodies in their rankings.

    So, no, they're not.
     
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  4. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But then it's an injustice to all the other fighters who play by the "rules". If they can't fight then need to vacate. Simple as that, no? Other fighters get stripped for not fighting a mandatory challenger, so the Klit's shouldn't be getting any favours. It just undermines the whole thing!
     
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  5. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh right, ok I guess that cleared it up.
     
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  6. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Eh, I disagree with this.. They are working hard and clobbering everybody, let them do what they want.. They deserve what they have.

    You have any siblings?


    That and as stated above, the main sanctioning bodies don't include champs from other sanctioning bodies in their rankings..
     
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  7. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Simple NO.

    It is strange, but it's not normal to include beltholders from one of the other alphabets into the ranking. Think it has to do with loss of control on their own title if a fighter can force their champion into a fight.
    Otherwise there wouldn't be a problem for Wlad to unify the belts. He just forces Haye to fight him because he would be the #1 for any alphabelt he doesn't have.
     
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  8. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Silly question.

    Once a fighter wins a major title (WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA) he is automatically removed from all of the major sanctioning bodies rankings.

    So the thread ends there.

    However, even if that wasn't the case... a mandatory challenger doesn't have to fight for the title if he doesn't want to. I don't see why anyone would have to be stripped. If Vitali was ranked as Wlad's #1 contender.... Vitali would simply not pursue the fight and Wlad would move down to the next available highest ranked contender. Wouldn't effect Wlad at all.
     
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  9. AndrewFFC

    AndrewFFC Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Welcome to boxing.
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The sanctioning bodies don't have any official recourse in the rules to force this fight.

    That's why it's up to one of us to kidnap one or both of them and force them to agree to it on video at gunpoint.
     
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  11. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    I'd disagree. Lennox was the man.
     
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  12. CHEF

    CHEF Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Champions are not ranked in an organization they dont hold a belt for.

    Wlad is IBF,IBO, & WBO champ... thus he is NOT ranked in the WBC
     
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  13. CHEF

    CHEF Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ****.. I just wrote the same thing:yep:good:good:good
     
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  14. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    I think every boxing fan would love to see that rule changed, cause it makes 'ducking' very hard and ducking as a beltholder almost impossible.
    It would be so much easier to unify the division, and we wouldn't have the sh*t we have today in HW.
     
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  15. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    I agree. Lennox was undisputed until he sold off those other belts to King's cronies.

    Wladimir is the Ring Magazine Champion and the #1 Heavyweight now & that's good enough for me.
     
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