Are you comfortable with Ali beating up smaller, aging men like Archie Moore and Floyd Patterson?

Do you rally believe if Joe Frazier and Oscar Bonavena were 6'3" with 78" reaches they would have "killed" Muhammad Ali? That's what is up for debate or discussion. The poster that made the hyperbole owns it.

 

I never said that

 

That's precisely what Vince Voltage said on page 8 and you liked it. It was silly and hyperbolic.

 

Perhaps but it would be interesting to see how Ali would handle fighters more the size of modern HWs

 

That would be interesting but I reckon they wouldn't emulate Smoking Joe and Ringo's style. They would likely fight tall. I would add Joe Bugner, Ernie Terrell, Buster Mathis, and Chuck Wepner were big boys and Joe, Ernie, and Buster were decent fighter. Oh, and throw in George Foreman.

 

I agree. But you seem to be obsessed with this question only when it comes to Ali, when just about all former ATGs made their bones on much smaller fighters than the ones around today.

Spinks, Berbick,.Tucker etc would be very small by today's standards, but you haven't said a peep about this. Even few of Wlad"s opp where his size. Not to.mention Louis, Marciano etc.

But the only one who's overrated according to you because he didn't beat guys of the size of the modern giants is Ali. Well, perhaps Ali's opponemts as well, but that seems to be it. Why is that?

 

When did I say Ali is overrated because he didn't fight modern heavyweights?

 

Here's you from from the thread "Overrated talent" just days ago:

 

You're really obsessed with me lol. Tbf I said during his prime which is true all his best wins came after his exile.

 

You're just so easy to own. Hard to resist.

And the last sentence is of course wrong as well, but you'll just go on the old tired "Liston was 45 and one armed blah, blah", ignoring that he came of his two best wins and performances, and of course you won't give any credit for the Patterson win either despite him pretty much being a consensus top 20 HW. And that's just time wasted. Embarrasing you like that again (well, if you had the faculties to be embarrassed) will be enough for now.

 

I mean you're the guy who's mad cause I have different opinions then you and seems obsessed with proving me wrong for some reason. I think that's way more embarrassing to be this obsessed with someone on purely subjective things..........

 

Ken Norton is in the International Boxing Hall Of Fame. Mediocre fighters don't make the Hall. As to the one eye stuff Ali was fighting in the initial stages of Parkinson's, according to his attending physicians. As to the Foreman that Ali fought not being all that if he retired immediately after Caracas he would likely be recognized as the GOAT for his destruction of Joe and Kenny.

 

And the Frazier blind on one eye myth is something I haven't engaged in, but it's obviously BS. If that was the case he would either have been completely blind with his only working closed in Manilla or it wouldn't made a difference since he couldn't see out of the eye before it got closes any way. Neither was of course the case. He could still see out of the eye that wasn't closes, but the closed eye meant he no longer could see Ali's rights coming, according to Futch. So clearly he could see out of it before it got closed.

 

My grand uncle was a professional fighter and my grand dad was a Golden Gloves fighter. My grand uncle had a common opponent with Jake LaMotta . He was blind in one eye from a detached retina. He was told to stop boxing but he ignored it. If you were legitimately blind in one eye you couldn't box. You would get seriously hurt. Try sparring with one eye closed. As to Ali's Parkinsons from his attending physicians:


In the new viewpoint piece, they write: “Here, we add this missing information to the archives of history. The main point of our report is that Muhammad Ali indeed had young-onset levodopa-responsive Parkinson disease with an emergence during the mid-phase of his boxing career.”

Neurologists who treated Muhammad Ali provide evidence for primary Parkinson’s diagnosis

 

It's an interesting article. If I understand it his treating physicians couldn't establish a causal link between boxing and his Parkinson's and suggest if it were the constellation of symptoms and clinical findings would be different. The findings in his case are more consistent with Early Onset Parkinson's. Late Onset Parkinson's is more consistent with head trauma.