Are you comfortable with Ali beating up smaller, aging men like Archie Moore and Floyd Patterson?

Boxing is what it is.

Nobody told those guys to be around at their age.

Ali himself was around till almost 40.

And in boxing, sometimes people face boxers who are taller.

Thats part of the game.

 

Floyd Patterson was 29 when Ali fought him. Hardly an old man.

 

The thing with Patterson is he was shooting to become the first 3x champion for the whole last decade of his career. Thats why he fought Liston again and Ali twice. All in pursuit of that elusive title that was being hyped as this super prestigious award. So if you're wondering why Patterson was taking all these challenges that wouldn't otherwise make sense at that stage of his career thats the reason.

Also Ali v Patterson II in 1972 was for the NABF title not the world HW title. Though the NABF was the 2nd most important HW belt at the time it was not "the" HW title. The 70s NABF in theory was just a regional belt even if it was the strongest regional belt in HW history. His win streak was more than enough to justify the oppurtunity to face Ali.

 

So because Ali gets a lot of love in fantasy h2h (who gives a flying **** about them anyway, they are all make believe) you're going to go around and just claim that he gets special treatment everywhere?

Or can you actually answer the question I asked. When does other fighters get **** for something similar, Marciano against Louis for example?

 

PEDs in boxing are already kinda a contentious topic due to how many fighters have used em, and though I don't support Ali using em, I don't care too much due to how out of it he was at the time.

Not that cheating is ok if you lose or get your ass kicked, but that in this situation, it's not really something that matters. If he did it against Spinks, I would've cared.

 

My guess is that people have a hard time getting worked up about anti-depressants and pain killers. Ali said he took them after the fight, which seems a reasonable thing to do after a humiliating beating like that and being stopped for the first time in his career.

Then it was the Thyrolar, but no one has shown as far as I know that that was a banned substance and while it seemed to have made him lose weight it also left him generally ****ed up otherwise.

Lastly, the Mayo clinic tests (which was his own initiative to take) showed traces of Benzendrine in his system. That is the first hint I know of of a more typical PED, but as far as I know it was never followed up on. I don't know if it can have come from the anti-depressants he was taking. It's usage was originally for depressions among other things, so that seems reasonable: https://www.healthline.com/health/what-is-benzedrine

 

I'm still waiting.

 

Ok. Can you point to anywhere where Charles and Rocky get **** for facing Louis?

 

Like historically or in his form or where? I was mostly thinking of modern fighters like Mayweather, Calzaghe, Canelo etc

 

Yeah, if you think Ali gets special treatement compared to other ATGs of the past, like Charles and Marciano, I think you should provie examples of that.

Also, if you're thinking about Mayweather getting **** for breaking a contracted clause about a catch weight for a fighter coming up two weight classes, then I don't think it's very comparable. Neither if you're thinking about Canelo defending his undisputed title against someone also coming up two weight classes, while ignoring the best contender in that actual weight class.

Marciano against Louis would be a much better comparison, as would Holmes vs Ali for that matter. And not in the sense that they don't get much credit for those wins, Ali doesn't get much credit for Moore or old Patterson either, but that they supposedly are seen as having done something morally wrong in taking on those fights.

 

He does get credit for Liston who was old, most people consider one of Ali’s best wins also Williams who was literally shot and crippled but Ali fought him or Folley who was past his best yet when other fighters like Mayweather or Canelo fight older fighters they don't get any credit and get much more criticism for it

 

He used Thyrolar off label as an upper. It was a PED since he didn't have hypothyroidism.

 

Ok, so you don't have any examples of for example Marciano and Charles getting **** for fighting an old Louis? Or Holmes for fighting an even older Ali? So you were talking out your ass again when you said that Ali gets special treatment in this regard?

And as for the above, answer me in what case Mayweather or Canelo doesn't get credit for beating a dominant undisputed champion coming off his two best wins? And btw, I challenge you to find one thraad about the Liston win where his age isn't brought up.

Same with Williams - in every thread about that fight the fact that he was coming back from a nearly fatal gunshot wound is brought up. No one has ever forgotten about that. Are you actually serious when you say this is considered one of Ali's best wins? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE does that. That is wholly made up by you.

Quite a few think that this was his foremost exhibition of his skills and that he was at his best in this fight, but the actual win isn't seen as much at all.

And that Ali defended against such an opponent might be less criticised due to the fact that it was his 5th defence that year, all of them being held on the challenger's home turf.

Also please give me examples of where Floyd or Canelo get **** for facing the nr 2 challenger (which Folley was) two months after facing their nr. 1.


Much of your criticism of Ali seem to be based on pure ignorance.