Are you for or against video playback in boxing?

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video playback in boxing

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  1. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    There are multiple reason to want it, but also multiple reasons not to want it.

    Big promoters usually don't want it, for obvious reasons, but most fans see it as a tool to remove the injustice that usually is in favor of the home/featured fighter.

    So what do you think? Do you want it in boxing, and why or why not?
     
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  2. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    The question is how to realize it.
    You can't let the judges rewatch every fight afterwards. This is taking too much time. I mean most events are ending late in the evening and if you have to wait about an hour for the result it would be too much.
    And watching replays during the break is not doable. Less time.

    I think the best possible option is a RBR like notice from every judge after the fight and this getting released one day later so everyone can see what the judge scored and why. I think many judges would think two times about their scoring if they have to justify in public with a RBR scoring with some notices.
    I would also like a press conference afterwards where the judges will speak about their scorecard.
     
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  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    I don't think you should do it for complete scoring at all, but rather for "events"
    disputed knockdowns and certainly knockouts, cuts, fouls and such.

    Just think about Dirrell vs Engel, Mares vs Agbeko I, Browne vs Kalajdzic, Rigo vs Flores and such... in which the final verdict hangs in the balance, if the referee made the right call.

    Actual results should be (my opinion): NC2, UD12 Agbeko, UD8 Kalajdzic, and either DQ1 or NC1, depending if you see it as an intentional foul (looked intentional to me)
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    For.:deal:
     
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  5. titanic

    titanic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Either way they will playback like in any sports. It's called advance tech....
     
  6. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Would all this be happening during or after the fight?
     
  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    It would be done in between rounds obviously, just like when we catch the highlights.
     
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  8. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    This is a tough task. 1minute time between the rounds to rewatch a 3minute round? I think in many rounds where Fighter A clearly won the round you could easily make a highlight vid to let Fighter B win the round if you only show his punches.
     
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  9. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If deterred corrupt refs from allowing nut punching,excessive holding and the like then I’m all for it.
    I never realised judges had Linares up before the KO against Lomo,when is this BS gonna stop?if Lomo hadn’t got the KO he would of likely lost.
     
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  10. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Don't be obtuse. You don't watch the whole 3 minutes over again. You have a guy who's job it is to isolate a couple of seconds from each round, specifically whether a cut is caused by a punch or a headbutt, whether a knockdown is legit or a slip, and whether a punch is low or on the beltline.
     
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  11. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Linares was up by a point on my scorecard. That was a dead even fight just like the judges had it. I couldn't believe when I saw people in the rbr saying Lomachenko was pitching a shut out. But then I've seen people around here who think Pac lost to Horn, and Gonzalez lost the first fight to Rungvisai.
     
  12. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    But then it's like the video assist in Football for example not a tool to score a fight RBR.
    You can rewatch some special scenes to look if a headclash was accidental or not or a blow too low but you can not rewatch the fight to score a round.
     
  13. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Never thought about it before, without thinking about it i would automatically say there isnt the time, depends how it is used. Its a tough question as no matter how much i want 1 guy to beat the other guy i want it done as fairly as you can ask from a fight.

    Anything that give more fairness to a fight should be a plus. Playback between rounds is not going to obstruct or delay the ongoing fight. But with only 1 minute to play with this could surely only be used for the big key incidents like a knock down, serious cut or maybe a foul worthy of a warning or point deduction.

    This still doesnt mean we will get total clarity, we could see not all 3 judges scoring a knock down, what do they do when they rewatch a possible point deduction worthy foul get missed by the ref? Does it give them them the power to deduct points? In this very corrupt era of the sport that could be very worrying and also a new system that can be abused. And i think we are beyond calling it all conspiricy theory this and paranoid that, corruption clearly exists even at the higher levels when the spot lights and worlds eyes are beaming down at an event.

    So i think no im not sure i would want it, not for the judges anyway. I find the worst and most questionable things that happen in the sport happen outside of the ring anyway im usually fairly happy with what is going on inside the ring. Little things like Wilders extra time, Wlads leaning down on fighters, things like that are not going to be changed or anything by the judges.

    But i would be more than happy for the referee to get as much playback as he can be given, he does have other duties inbetween rounds so that 1 minute is still a super tight time frame but he cant see everything and Boxers are sneaky. There should be somebody who watches ringside, a 2nd referee, theres a back up there anyway, he can pass notes on things he may be seeing that the referee isnt and he could ask somebody from the camera to pick pieces out to show the ref between rounds, not affecting the fight himself just making the ref aware of those things.
     
  14. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    My idea of how to implement is, that "events" can be reviewed either directly after it happened, if it ended the fight or caused a timeout, or inbetween rounds if the action continued. And reviewed by a second referee that can overrule the actual referee after reviewing the footage.

    See my examples of the clear lowblow KO (Dirrell vs Engel), the clear lowblow KD and constant lowblows that turned the scoring over (Mares vs Agbeko I), the foul punch when already down on slip counted as a KD (Browne vs Kalajdzic) and the KO after the bell and referee break (Rigo vs Flores).

    Things like that wouldn't be possible with video replay.
     
  15. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yall doing too much.. Like every sport there are missed calls.. Just last night at the end of the NBA finals there were missed calls with replay so it won't change much.. Nothings perfect.. Fights were meant to be judged in real time so you won't have a bunch of variables changing your mind.. Go with your gut first thought for every round and you have a winner...