Are you there, God? It's me, Margarito (Antonio, that is)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Mar 13, 2015.


  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

    401,521
    83,323
    Nov 30, 2006
    :patsch

    I said Pacquiao was undersized, and still beat Margarito easily.
     
  2. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

    32,973
    14
    Jul 21, 2013
    ok...........I jumped the gun:yep

    Pac was amazing the way he fought margo he didn't run away like cotto and just be content to win on points he tried to force the stoppage that amazing
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

    401,521
    83,323
    Nov 30, 2006
    That was an impressive outing from Pac. (even though his size disadvantage kinda was offset, in fairness, by that enormous hand speed edge)

    He fought a very aggressive style for a much smaller man. It was certainly no "Sultan Ibragimov" (the way he fought Briggs & Klitschko) type performance.

    In fact, he took it to Margarito even more than, say, Roy Jones did to John Ruiz.
     
  4. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,236
    10,794
    Jun 5, 2010
    I rank the Cotto win quite high, it was a great breakdown. But ultimately, Miguel has shown against certain opponents that he will fade late, he was starting to fade against a blind Margarito even in the second fight.

    I can only rank the Martinez high in hindsight. No one could've realized a younger scrawny WW Martinez would become the MW champ of the world defend multiple times and reign for 4 years. He simply wasn't the same fighter against Margarito. And yes he was older but Margarito was far more vetted in their fight.

    All other wins were Lujan, Andrew Lewis, Kermit, Hercules were all against fighters that were simply more pedestrian than he was. He also didn't travel well one weight higher, I recall the outing vs. Daniel Santos (2nd fight), when he couldn't utilize his length reach and size at JMW and back at WW against someone who was far better than him at his own game in Paul Dub.

    He's not HOF caliber
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

    401,521
    83,323
    Nov 30, 2006

    This is exactly the kind of breakdown (either for or against) that I was hoping for. :good Thank you.
     
  6. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

    32,973
    14
    Jul 21, 2013
    Yea that's my point that fight was really amazing and when you think that cotto never wanted to trade with magro in the rematch it shows you have tough margo is.

    It takes a special fighter to try and force a stoppage over the much bigger man, pac was at a disadvantage because the size difference most people in that situation wouldn't of tried to force the stoppage they would be content to just try and box him.


    I still remember that right hook pac landed on margo and buckled him.
     
  7. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    21,066
    47
    Nov 17, 2007
    i feel bad that you wrote such a long post.... it's a definitive no.

    What hall of fame wins does he have besides cotto in which he cheated?

    cintron was a bum
    lost to pwill
    sergio martinez did steroids so I don't even count that he beat sergio.


    Margarito is one of the most over rated fighters of our time
     
  8. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,236
    10,794
    Jun 5, 2010

    we're not all trolls :hey
    some of us true pure boxing fans
     
  9. moparfan

    moparfan ESB's glass jawed fraud Full Member

    21,942
    2,042
    Jul 13, 2012
    To me, Margarito based on heart, skill, willingness, toughness and pure entertainment, Antonio is definitely HOF worthy.

    Margarito was 12-3 from age 15-19. He did not have that lucrative of an amatuer record, only having 21 fights posting a 18-3 record.

    The lack of a bigger or longer amatuer career may have helped Margarito later in his career, but it hindered the earlier part of his career.

    The stigma of the handwrap controversy, and Margarito's attitude and demeanor in regards to the controversy has turned alot of fans away from Margarito.

    Many people will remember Margarito more for the one major blemish (handwrap) than they will for all his achievements.

    If I was on the HOF panel, Margarito would get my vote, based on his boxing skills, in ring attitude, generalship and fighting all fighters.
     
  10. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

    48,046
    36,821
    Apr 17, 2011
    :lol: what?
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

    401,521
    83,323
    Nov 30, 2006
    :huh

    News to me.
     
  12. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

    10,701
    3,778
    Oct 30, 2011
    Martinez was a Welterweight, started boxing late, and his pro debut was 4 days shy of 98. He fought Margarito February of 2000, about 2 years as pro. It would take Martinez 8 years later to start his prime, and 10 years for Martinez to have his biggest win of his career. You cannot look at me with a straight face and say Martinez wasn't green.

    You flash forward Margo's career(ignoring his early losses), and Santos and Williams had his number(although I've seen the Williams fight live and thought Margarito edged it barely). He takes out Kermit Cintron for the second time, then has his biggest win of his career in beating a prime undefeated Cotto.

    The Cotto fight was a classic, great clash of styles. Cotto outboxes Margarito early on, but throughout the fight, Margarito is hitting Cotto with monster shots, buckling him and literally breaking his face. Cotto takes a knee and his corner stops it. Margarito is now the lineal champ at 147(Floyd was taking a sabbatical around this time period and Pac was still the LW champ of the world).


    Next comes Mosley. Honestly, when this fight was announced, I was nothing but excited for it. I thought Margarito was gonna walk down Mosley and be the first man to stop him. Fight night comes, and before the fighters walk out of the ring, the HBO crew starts mentioning about the hand wrapping controversy. I look at Margarito and he looks scared and timid, absolutely no confidence in him. For 9 straight rounds, Mosley is beating the **** out of Margarito. The same Mosley who had a hard fought 12 rounds with a shot Mayorga a fight before.

    To summarize, Margarito had the biggest win of his career followed by the biggest lost of his career. You can try to say Margarito was clean because he was never caught before the Mosley fight, but eventually he DID get caught, and it happened right after the Cotto fight. After followed the most severe beating of Margarito's career, a year ban, another beating from Pacquiao, and the last and final one from the very man he stopped in Cotto. If Margarito was clean all this time, he certainly hasn't showed it.

    But hand wrapping controversy aside, no. Margarito does not belong in the HOF.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

    401,521
    83,323
    Nov 30, 2006
    Martinez was green, yeah, but he wasn't really that much greener than Margarito, if he even was greener. :deal

    Sergio had twice as many amateur bouts as Tony. Heading into their match, they had 58 and 45 boxing matches (combined pro/am) respectively - Martinez with thirteen more altogether. Martinez was also already an adult when he crossed over into boxing, with a solid athletic base in his soccer & cycling background. Margarito was thrown to the wolves as a teenager, and following his loss to Rodney Jones at just eighteen would go on an 8-year unbeaten streak including stoppages of Martinez, underrated Toño Diaz, Randall, Lewis, and Kyvelos.

    What's easier? Hitting the ground running with a style rooted in natural athleticism, hands-down, using speedy movement to pot-shot - or breaking opponents down with slow and steady pressure and stopping them? Which style has a steeper learning curve and takes longer to fully develop, and which is more WYSIWYG? Really stop and think about that.

    Martinez was green, yes, but he was unbeaten, confident, young (with a style that, ideally, lends itself to youthfulness and the quick reflexes that go with it) and while he was facing a big step up in class in Margarito was in turn Margarito's biggest test yet after Jones. It wasn't as though Margarito pulled a Wonjongkam and cherry picked someone in their pro debut.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

    401,521
    83,323
    Nov 30, 2006
    Really never thought I'd find myself putting so much energy into playing devil's advocate for this guy. :lol:
     
  15. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

    46,772
    15,890
    Apr 14, 2009
    All this unadultered bull feces about Antonio Margarito was all started by a BLATANT LIE from Nazim Richardson. He stated publically that PLASTER BLOCKS!! fell from Margarito's wraps that night. What happened to those so called BLOCKS?? All that was discovered after microscopic testing was a harmless used damp gauze pad. This was NEVER hard either as Richardson claimed.
    The coup de gras was when the CSAC were asked to produce the pad they claimed it has been MISLAID!!!ROFLMAO How convenient.