Argüello interview days before death

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  1. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    Amen. They are vintage Argüello.
     
  2. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    Contrast reminiscent of Jacob and Esau!

    Alexis actually has the edge on Mayorga in height and reach. I agree, Argüello gives Ricardo his just desserts.
     
  3. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    Argüello's Pryor II "quit job" actually makes a suicide more baffling, simply
    because he was willing to go through hell for a relatively less important goal as a boxing championship. Yet he desisted on that canvas for one simple reason: He loved life and was not willing to risk it, no matter how precious the sporting goal.

    You're absolutely right. Argüello was not a saint, nor is that the reason I look up to him. It is the obvious natural gentlemanliness, courteousness, human decency that he exuded. Carnegie no doubt contributed, but I would say the breezy people-influencer merely polished Alexis' native demeanor. This is why some people never relate to that How-to-Win-Friends stuff: it may simply not be in them.

    Boxing has always been horribly managed and, as you say, crucially so at key moments in history. Yet it is up to those of us who love it to continue carrying its torch. It will always be what other sports aspire to. And the 15-round distance (like the pitcher in the batter's box) is part of the essence thereof.
     
  4. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well articulated, and certainly his natural temperament equates more closely to that of Patterson than the public image of Duran's heyday.
    Through much of Queensbury history, it was so strong as to withstand even the poorest management, like Norris and the IBC. You're right of course, that basic elements like the championship distance can be equated with mutations like the DH in baseball (which at least still never applied to World Series competition in National League parks, just as the championship distance in boxing should be applied to, well, championship bouts).

    Maybe if combat sports alternatives to boxing manage to somehow rise to mainstream status while leaving classic pugilism in the shadows, then perhaps the championship distance can be restored as a survival mechanism. It's a lot to hope for though. Boxing was a king of the hill sport when there were far fewer competitive challengers looking to knock it off. Now it's a relatively niche interest at the base of a much larger and higher mountain. Flash Gordon apparently hasn't followed it at all for years. Iconic champions have likewise detached entirely from boxing, and can't name modern successors. Imagine NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB or FIFA legends completely disengaging themselves from what made them famous. (Think Pele doesn't know or even care who won the last World Cup?) It was already bad enough that some of the best boxing has ever produced didn't really even care much for the sport even back in the day. This is a severely dire situation boxing is now in.

    Boxing is not the only sport or non sport of which I am a former fan. And once a disconnect occurs, I can't go back and fill in the blanks after a loss of continuity. Once I've moved on, that's it, although of course I retain what I had already learned and experienced. Whatever future hope for revival boxing does have relies in large part on the surviving passions of those like yourself.
     
  5. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    Let us not despair.

    Boxing will always have a place, if not always its rightful place, in the sun. As Joyce Carol Oates, of all writers, declared, boxing is "without a doubt, our most dramatically masculine sport." Two guys rolling around on the floor in spandex will not alter this reality. Boxing has been engaged in since the Iliad and the zenith of Ancient Rome. Its appeal has passed the test of time. Why? Because there has never been nor will there ever be an art of self-defense that can touch it.

    No combat-sport championship can be more compelling than a Queensberry title bout between two great fighters. Remember the Fight of the Century: many spectators were surely there for other interests apart from the title match at hand. But through it all, and in the end, the crowd was mesmerized as one upon witnessing a fifteen-round show of pure manhood: two men standing essence-to-essence, soul-to-soul, deploying incredible --totally contrasted-- physical skills, in a contest engaged in with slashing courage, noble endurance, a profound sense of honor.

    With all due respect, no MMA champion will ever attain the global stature ascended to in his time by world's heavyweight champion Joe Louis.

    You look at Manny Pacquiao today pushing the limits, fighting for his people, a true idol, and he is, now, before our eyes, what is right about boxing, evidence of how just a few good men can elevate pugilism to its rightful place: what other sports aspire to.

    No amount of horrible management can keep down boxing at its best.

    Where are the Dempseys, Alis and Argüellos?

    P.S. Recognition of any passion I may show is a real compliment from someone such as yourself, who has consistently, year in, year out, poured himself into every excellent post he writes.
     
  6. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good article and insight.